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It's important to know the smoking habits of the volunteers: if they all smoke pretty regularly, this study isn't at all that shocking. I have to disagree a bit though--there's just no way it wouldn't affect your driving if you rarely smoke or if it's one of your first times smoking. Reaction times and short-term memory are actually really important for driving, and maintaining a more or less constant speed can be crucial, too (and what about the small number of people who become extremely paranoid if they smoke--that isn't a healthy trait for safe driving, either). You shouldn't be smoking and driving if you aren't that experienced with smoking (or driving, for that matter). That said, thanks for yet another study joining the thousands which continue to directly contradict the federal sentiment on cannabis. They don't have constitutional right to 'schedule' drugs anyway, not really. Screw them, keep lighting up.
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Ummm 2.9% THC? That's some shitty herb. Good herb today regularly has THC content in the 15-30% range. I support this study because, but somebody get these guys some proper weed.
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2.9%?!?!?! what a joke! that wouldnt effect anyones performance, you wouldnt be feeling it at all! it wud just be a slightly mellow feel over everything, they need to test it with some stronger stuff, like, 10-15% thc, and im not saying that they're wrong, cuz they arent, they just didnt do proper test conditions because most weed is over 2.9% thc
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I was driving super slow cause I was too busy explaining to my friend why stop signs are red and go lights are green... lol
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John doe, your ignorant as fuck. the term you cant recall is called the placebo effect and they say in the study how they give groups a real joint and a placebo joint, to take account for exactly what your saying. so suck my dick and crash another car you rookie stoney herb.
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Ok, I totally agree, it doesn't make me bad at driving high, I WOULD stipulate that it does make you sleepy, and falling asleep at the wheel is mighty dangerous. I only say that because my buddy crashed his car stoned, lucky he didn't die. I've never heard any other horror stories.
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Oh my god, did any of you even give a first glance at the article study this article cited? First of all, the study was about sex differences in the effects of marijuana on driving. Second, the study says in its conclusion section that "marijuana appeared to hinder practice effects on the PASAT task, suggesting individuals may not be able to adequately use information and experience previously acquired while under the influence of marijuana. While only minimal differences in driving performance were found, this failure to benefit from prior practice may be detrimental to driving performance." It DOES NOT conclude that smoking doesn't affect driving performance. I'm all for weed, and I would love it if what this article is saying were true (and I concede that many people do indeed drive very well while high), but I hate it when people blindly believe what they're told. This article does nothing but provide a blatant misinterpretation of what the study presented.
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we need to get this around the world!!!
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BWAHAHAHAHAH! Awesome!
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Yeah, that's right, of course what YOU think is WAY more important than a scientific study. Moron.
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Skylar, if it takes you more than a joint to get high... you're smoking the wrong pot -- brah.
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Mark says WOULD, not does. Nor is he comparing his experience to "everyone else worldwide". He is just saying, and I agree, that pot DOES affect driving ability. Obviously not to the extent of alcohol or other drugs, but it does. I smoke all the time and I certainly do not believe this study. People like to latch on to anything that can justify marijuana use.
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What is life? Is it nothing more than just a bunch of shouting and honking as a green light, goes to red, and back to green? Sometimes it seems that way.
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Oh boy a whole joint? They must have been fucking ripppped stoner brah! They need to actually get the people stoned before they can come up with any conclusions. To someone who's comfortable enough to be driving stoned without a problem (which you need to be able to do) a joints probably not gonna even get the person high. Now get fucking stoned, and I mean blazed and drive. Yeah youre fine if you know what youre doing, but I'd put money on you going 5 to 10 under, getting nervous merging onto highways, and really fumbling the sudden yellow lights. Maybe turning just a little wide. When Im stoned I have a really hard time with directions, especially in unfamiliar locations, and I personally don't think it's completly safe being lost cause youre distracted. And with the choice tunes you and your buddies are blasting, more distractions = less safe. Of course you need to know if youre too stoned for the job, drivings a big responsibility. That being said, go blaze and enjoy some good old space trucking. Its fun! I think it feels like a video game, but it really sucks if you lose.
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wouldn't driving on one joint be like driving on one beer, or less?...hardly enough to effect your performance.. and the joint was only 2.9% thc...pretty sure they have alot stronger stuff out there now. if they want to test this, they need to get somebody blitzed on the crap, like say a very drunk driver, then see what the performance is.. This is worthless propaganda of a worthless experiment. The person is skating the edges to try to make something look ok, when its most likely not. I've talked to stoners who can't remember one thing from a 2 hour drive....how the hell is that safe?
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All I'm saying is, even if I had never smoked before, I think I'd KNOW whether I received a placebo or not pretty fucking quick.
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thats because you suck at driving its easy to drive when your stoned because your calm lol your a dumbass
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So then don't drive and smoke! Stay your dumb stoned ass on the couch! But don't be so arrogant as to say your experience applies to everyone else worldwide, because it doesn't.
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Impossible. I am a regular pot smoker and I can say with 100% certainty that it would affect my driving ability. Studies like these are dangerous.
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I'm smoked before and I can say from personal experience that I couldn't drive in that condition if I had to. However, obviously some people are more effected than others. I can understand it still being illegal none the less, considering there is no standardized testing to determine who can drive high and who can't. I'd rather we error on the side of caution here. Just because some 12 year olds could drive if they had to doesn't mean we need to start letting all 12 year olds drive.
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I tried marijuana the other day for the first time, and that has been the only dose I've ever had. That was not a safe state for me personally to be in whilst driving, but then again, I hear its effects are vastly sapped the more you use it, so... I dunno.
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You are all stupid, FTW.
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its awesome but there is no street weed that is in such a low THC content. even the shittyist of middys is going to be atleast 5
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Also, I think everyone should do a lit search first and read some articles before they start making claims that marijuana doesn't effect driving ability. Most studies arguing in both directions seem pretty inconclusive.
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It seems as if this information about the article is very iffy. What is the name of the study? Why didn't the author of this article place the name of the study in there so people can go read it. I haven't read the article because I can't find it...but it seems like the author pick and chose quotes from an inconclusive study. The way it's described above doesn't make sense in the way the experiment was set up. If one is testing a sample of people and then re-testing them 30 minutes later then there should always be an improvement from baseline to experimental testing. In other words, there SHOULD BE a significant difference from baseline to experimental testing in both the control-placebo group and the THC group. Read again: "Test subjects performed the tests sober, and then again 30 minutes after smoking a joint containing either 2.9 percent THC or a placebo joint with no THC. The volunteers performed virtually the same after smoking marijuana as they did sober and/or after smoking bunk pot. "No differences were found during the baseline driving segment (and the) collision avoidance scenarios," the scientists reported." All this means is that the experiment was pretty much flawed, and there were no significant results. I would love to read this article though to see for myself. Can anyone link the article? Since there was no difference in the control, it is likely that the researchers extrapolated their hypotheses and discussed some between groups differences, such as the driving speed. However, since "learning" didn't seem to occur in either group, such between groups comparisons should not be taken conclusively.
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Indeed, I am a very angry person. But not when I'm high. :)
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i dont fucking drive around unless i'm high.
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i thought this was further down, ha must be stoned, hahaha
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In the interrest of scyense I condupted my own blind teft. I muxt say it was diccicult dribing stoned but much mire diddicult dricing blimdfloded. How cam you sey smiking weed deosn't addect your preception? I wrexked my nwe car and loft my lecince. The jodge siad I sholud not use drigs and dfive. In the persoot of the tooth I"m continuum the experience . Im' sfoned now and it only tool me an huor to wrute this diss erta tio.n Thus ezperimennt was good. Fun. Funni. Evrething ix funny. Who tuped this ?
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i'm not so sure about that. there wasn't thc level testing before. another bullshit scheme by the gov. i've smoked for 30 years (i'm 40) and only recently smoked (the cultivated good shit), but in general the mid grade today gets me no higher than when i was 15 (smoked regular for 3 yrs by then. the fucking mexicans and anyone else growing huge quantities are not growing anything diff. than back then.(do you think they are spending 50 or a 100 grand on seeds to grow 20 or 30 acres of weed ?) your stupid if you do. ( hell, i don't know how many seeds it would take, but it for damn sure takes a shitload.) anything nicely green now is called hydro and idiots spend alot of money for it, although most i have smoked aint worth shit. i'll blindly (to an extent) buy 3-4 hit mid, but i will not spend my money on the high dollar shit without trying first, and then if i don't get baked off 1-2 hits they can shove-it. had many that did't get me any higher, but sure made my wallet lighter. as a matter of fact, when i was 18 i bought a quarter of some shit these jamaicans had and i still have not been so high, even after several bong hits of this shit they rty to sell for 120 - 200 a quarter. me and a friend got high several times a day for a week and then got high off the resin for another couple a days. show me something like that now.
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your argument actually proves our point, a pot smoker can be uninebriated, where as a drunk is drunk no matter what he's told.
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same with the drunks and they failed, dumbass!
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they said in the article that the alcohol consumers failed. oh, but maybe they didn't KNOW they were being tested. idiot
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different types of studies? no, there is only one study talked about here, the corralation between pot and driving skills. you want a larger one ok, but not different, you can't say that because after smoking a joint i answered the questions on jeopardy a half second slower that it has anything to do with driving.
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i'm guilty of road rage, and sometimes even embarrass myself, usually after working all day. but not after i get home and burn one. i can go right back out into the same stoopid ass traffic and be like " oh well, they have to get places too.
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how can we the people get the powers to be to smoke one? got to be a way. but i also think there are lots of folk in the position to pass reform laws that have(many times when younger) or still do, smoke pot, but they do not have piss tests, so they take lobbyists money, put it in their pocket and say ooooohhhh baaaaddd!!!!
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my ex-girlfriend thinks she is an excellent driver, although she has wrecked 2 vehicles (both determined by the officer on the scene as her fault), but by god they are wrong. hahaha. you claiming your a good driver is completely worthless info. but regardless, do you believe that anyone who has smoked mj in 30 days is still high? that they should get an under the influence ticket and loose they're driving privilege because some prick cop saw a seed on the floor and ordered a blood test? it's all about revenue. period. officers are allowed to use there discression when righting a ticket, but often you will here (nothing i can do, i think ur under the influence and your under arrest.) i got a ticket and passed by they're own admittance all roadside tests, but he still thought i was so too bad mr. young, u get to post bail, pay obscene amounts to your lawyer and loose however many days work to go to court, only to get it dropped. FUCKING BULLSHIT
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SHEEPLE I LOVE IT!!!!!
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LOL this made me laugh. toke the dro! fo sho!
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I agree that smoking small amounts of weed does not significantly affect my driving ability, but there's no way I'm getting blitzed and driving anywhere. Nor should anyone else. We all know it slows our response times, and should be used in moderation if you're going to be getting behind the wheel of a car. Just like when you're drinking, you have to use your better judgment. Although drinking impairs you more. Abraham Lincoln once said that prohibition went against everything this country was founded on.
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I love herb and all that, but the test subjects must not have had a strong sativa. Indicas make people tired and I could smoke that all day and feel great. This is the standard indoor which is grown all over. Some sativas and sativa crosses create anixiety which make driving dangerous. Plants with this effect usally take a long time to grow so its much more uncommon. Smoke up and be safe if that it what you like. lol.
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Thank you for your testimonial! It's time to break the stupid taboos, break preconceived ideas and deprogram brainwashed minds!
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Nope. You must be inexperienced at it, or too young. Please do not drive unless you are sober.
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Anonymous who posted a reply to Matt in Boulder post: you rock. There's no limit to stupidity, is there? One day stupids will learn that they need to shut the hell up about what they don't know. Or maybe not. Even their attempts at joking are dumb.
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There is a fatal flaw to this study. The average THC levels in the 1970's was likely 2.9%. Today the THC levels are significantly higher, which some eclipsing 21% THC. Some of the most popular and ones which represent the most used are well over 10%. Harborside Health Center, the most respected collective in California, did a study on THC and Cannabinoid levels this year. Of 3,167 labs run for THC levels ONLY 63 (2%) had a THC level of 6% or under. http://www.harborsidehealthcenter.com/images/ProjectCBD.pdf To be valid a double blind placebo controlled study should be testing at minimum a THC level of at least 10% and likely 15%. This would begin to compare apples to apples, not oranges to oranges.
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i smoked the evil weed for years when I was young (51 now) and drove many thousands of miles and I can attest that smoking the evil weed never impaired me in any way as far as driving. I have known many people that smoke and drive And 99% of them drive safer stoned as I did. What I wouldn't recommend is skydiving while stoned. Known a few that did and they had long walks back to the dropzone (Ithink the view from 8000 ft. was mesmerizing) I conclusion I know lots of people that drive stoned and seen lots of people drive drunk Alcohol impairs evil weed does not seem to-my opinion
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I love seeing stories of people who have smoked their whole lives. I'm only 20, been smoking for 5 years, and I've specilized on everything golf since I got out of high school. Now I work and teach everyday, I have my own golf begginer program that I run every week. People always told me I wouldn't make it smoking bud...but I've smoked bud the whole way and I'm more successful than 3/4 the people I graduated with hahahaha gotta love the world we live in today :) support legalization!!!
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You fail. Do the same thing with alcohol and tell me the results are not conclusive. Do a double blind placebo experiment with alcohol. I guarantee that you will surely find out that drinking a 12 pack and driving regardless of knowing if you are being tested or not, will prove that driving after drinking is bad. I have been smoking buds for a long time and drive all the time high and I do not do anything different besides become more aware of my surroundings.
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yeah, when I drive after i smoked a joint i get speedingtickets... don't you have the feeling then that your foot is getting more heavy? xD
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A... fucking... MEN
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I wrecked my car when I wasn't stoned using your logic that means all people who aren't stoned will wreck....
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It may not affect my driving but it totally affects (negatively) my ability to effectively complete a post to a
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The worse thing that happened to me driving stoned was passing my highway exit and driving another 15 minutes to take the next overpass. I've seen lots of people veer across multiple lanes of traffic and still backup on the highway to make their turn. If somebody were to do a study about people driving while under the influence of prescription narcotics, the big drug company dicks would do everything in their power to discredit the work. Just watch any drug store and you'll see zombi eyed road warriors slam their drugs and hit the road and anything else that gets in their way(^.^)
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amen. I wish it were that easy *dreaming hopefully*. I agree though, if they all smoked an L or two, or even actually thought about it instead of their stupid agendas and crap, they'd be like "damn let's get this legal and make some money *laughs greedily*". but not for the people, for the money.
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amen. I wish it were that easy *dreaming hopefully*. I agree though, if they all smoked an L or two, or even actually thought about it instead of their stupid agendas and crap, they'd be like "damn let's get this legal and make some money *laughs greedily*". but not for the people, for the money.
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Yes, I know for a fact that my computer only makes mistakes when I am high. Also, I burnt my toast this morning, it must have been because marijuana is EVIL! Lol, I love listening to ignorant people who are against marijuana even though they have no REAL knowledge of it, just whatever the government tells them. Oh well though, the world needs sheeple or the governments would fail, and the world would be peaceful again, wouldnt that suck. Fuck the police, the government, the sheeple, this Patti Jo faggot, and his momma. S.W.E.D
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the only reason the gov is saying this shit is becouse they have never smoked it i have been smoking bud for many years and i have never got into an axedent or done something bad it mellowes u out and helps u find who u realy are.so for all u gov people and what not smoke a blunt to the face and see if it dont change the way u look at it
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edit: you'd have to be PRETTY high to need to ride your bike so you don't hit anyone, so i'm jealous of those who have been, cuz it'd be really hard for it to effect driving. not trying to keep going on, but I needed to make sure I was clear?. I call bull**** on the governments erm.. propaganda and I call, sadly, not thourogh enough of a study to debunk it )=. smoke and drive unless you judge it unsafe. you don't need a study for that. us smokers should be extra careful so we don't fuel the governments arguements by accidentally crashing anyways. okay I'm done.
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it seems that this is getting mostly positive comments, which is good, although it is tokeofthetown.com.. I agree that smoking cannabis, especially a sativa strain, will not effect driving ability. It's uhh.. well no, it's not shocking that the government would try to say it effects you. It should be shocking. But we can all agree alcohol will inhibit your driving rediculous ammounts, so I don't even see why this is a big issue anyways. same with all the rest of their "theorys" because all there "studies" have been proven wrong, it's called judgement. use it to decide if that kitkat bar is worth someones life, or if you should bike down to the corner store instead (probably way more fun). but I will admit the study uses 2.9% thc.. and limited testing.. so this study isn't a great arguement. but either way, it comes down to judgement when using drugs, even the magnificent herb. sorry for rambling haha, (: one love
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The only part of this study that cracked me up was the THC content of the tested joint: 2.9%?!?!? I smoke everyday, and my homegrown strains are anywhere from 14.9% to 22% THC. They might as well have had them smoke oregano. With that said, I have never had an accident in 27 years of driving after smoking (or more likely vaporizing) cannabis.
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I smoke a lot, as much and as often as I can manage. Get high and stay high, and I think I know what this study is getting at, there is no comparison between alcohol impairment and cannabis high. Still I consider motor vehicles dangerous, like dynamite.(you really have to be right around these things) So I just don't mess with it. I also won't drive if I'm sleepy, or if I have a fever or a cold, or if I'm angry or sad, or excited,or have a head ache, or distracted in any way. More cautious than most people think to be. You don't have to be impaired to make a critical driving error.
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Anyone who plays online shoot-em-ups will tell you that half the players are stoned and yet they can still beat sober people, they are often top players. It's a well known fact. If someone can smoke weed and still play games requiring lightning reactions and fine judgement then weed can't be dangerous for driving either.
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weed studies have bn goin on a long time as w/all drugs .there is a place for different drugs in our society.live an let live ppl.life is too short.look around you or check out world news.weed should be the least of your worries.we r all part of th food chain, different walks of life,imperfect humans living in an imperfect world......P..E..A..C..E...
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Correct. Double post errors only occur with marijuana smokers. Wise observation indeed Patti!
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No,there is a bias that occurs when participants are aware of the behavior that is being studied. Subject-expectancy effect can be eliminated with a double blind procedure. however, in this case i think it is fairly obvious what the experiment is testing for. When participants know they are being watched they engage in a certain behavior. The variables of the experiment are also hard to control for. For example, the weather conditions, night and day, differences in THC effects. There also could be experimenter-expectancy effect. It is important to read these types of studies with a critical eye so that you don't fall under false pretenses about the findings. Just because one study has a certain finding doesn't mean it's absolute. Reviewing the literature on the topic would lead to a more comprehensive understanding of the topic.
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You must be smoking something right now because you just posted your comment twice.
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Gotta love how speed isn't included in the performance criteria! What a dumb study and article. It's the slow old lady driving that makes pot heads a hazard on the road.
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"Test subjects performed the tests sober, and then again 30 minutes after smoking a joint containing wither 2.9 percent THC or a placebo joint with no THC." They should have never repeated the test in subjects who already were tested. They should have established a mean score and used pot smokers vs. the control the non pot smokers. All this shows is, that people who are familiar with a simulation perform little different when provided with a joint 30 minutes later.
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LMAO! I want some of what you got!
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Are you KIDDING me? This is complete bullshit, and this is coming from an avid smoker.
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True dat man. I personally drive way better than I am sober. I took my driving test blazed and I passed with flying colors.
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@John Doe Maybe you or the other driver were talking on your CELL PHONES!!!
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Thanks for bringing this up. Remember people, this is only one study. Every study has problems that weaken the conclusion, it's an inescapable fact. The way you come to a coherent and strong conclusion is by doing a large range of different types of studies over a reasonable period of time with large sample sizes. Still, this seems like a step in the right direction towards an intelligent attitude to marijuana.
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I always drive while under the influence of pot. Doesn't change anything, if anything it makes me a better driver.
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John, Funny, I have been smoking for most of my life... I am almost 50 and started when I was around 10 or 11 (I relocated to a small town when I was 9 from a decent sized city and the country boys are the ones that turned me on to it)... Anyway, if you almost wrecked your car, it tell me one of a few things... Giving you the benefit of the doubt first, it must have been the other persons fault... if that wasn't the case then you either were doing something along with the pot, or you truly are a bad driver... Most of the people I know drive better stoned than they do straight...I have yet to find anyone that can't drive if they are just stoned, unless they can't drive when they are straight anyway (sound familiar to you)...
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I am pro Marijuana and want it to be legalized and everything but... It was only 2.9% THC
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No shit, because look at the evidence. Thousands of people die very year directly because of drunk driving. Not a single death is attributable to marijuana. The only reason the feds can even make a connection is if someone crashes and has THC in their system, they immediately claim that THC was the cause of the crash, even if you haven't smoked for days. The government will use all sort of bullshit tactics to enforce their worldview and i'm really fucking sick of it.
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That's true, but with those strains one does not go driving around due to "couch lock" being in effect.
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I can't start my day right without clubbing a baby seal or two.
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You are clearly not a scientist - stop trying to claim science is fake, please. Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it the devil! Perhaps you could refer to the several other, all-agreeing studies that ALSO show how marijuana does not intoxicate with regard to driving ability. But, of course, you won't. It is enough for you to see it as evil and be done with it. For shame.
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Really? You honestly believe the participants couldn't tell whether they got high? Just because they weren't told doesn't mean they couldn't figure it out.
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I would suggest that: 1) people that are unfamiliar with the effects of THC might need a learning curve to learn the skills required. and 2) There are strains of THC products that I guarantee would effect driving ability if imbibed in while driving. Fortunately, the primary effect in those cases is a desire to not drive..... and then go eat.
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Yeah, getting high doesn't cause you to wreck, but it promotes global warming. The evidence is clear. Algore knows that. Do you love killing polar bears? I bet you love to club baby seals and otters, too.
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Regardless of whether or not the subjects knew they were being tested, they did not know whether or not they were smoking actual marijuana. This is what's known as a "double-blind placebo controlled study", a term which, I'm fairly sure, appears in this article. Science works. Let it.
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Dude, I been smoking pot daily for 30+ years and I can certainly attest to that. I think I am much more aware after burning a big fat one than had I not. Pot is good dude. Lou www.anon-posting.at.tc
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This isn't true. There's a term (I forget which) for a study's results being inaccurate due to the subjects unavoidably being made aware that they are being studied or tested. There are also too many variables to call this a controlled study. On top of this, I've had experience driving while stoned, and I almost wrecked my car! Before you jump the gun, no, I am not a bad or absent-minded driver. This study is bunk, just because we'd like to believe something, doesn't mean that we should.
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I knew it! In fact, it actually inhances my senses and makes me a better driver. I can even hear my car talk to me. It also makes me more popular too - just ask all those cars following me in the fast lane, honking, waving and cheering me on.
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I tip my hat to you sir. You are a perfect example of what people can do even though they smoke pot. Society has branded the stoner life style as a lazy unproductive life style which isn't true at all.
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How did you get the form from the DMV saying smoking didn't affect your driving???
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I was stopped for speeding, 72 in a 60 zone. The cop that stopped me smelled marijuana and said he new I had a medical marijuana license and said he smelled it and asked if I had any marijuana with me, I said I did.He asked when the last time I smoked pot, I said 3 to 4 hours ago although two buddies and I smoked 3 fatties preparing for UFC 113 ten minutes before he stopped me. He then made me get out of my truck and do an eye ball flicker test with his ballpoint pen which I passed. He then said "how would you feel if someone stoned on marijuana was on the same road as you". I also produced a form from the motor vehicle branch which was signed by my Doctor which states that marijuana does not affect my driving, the ignorant prick said my Doctor was not an expert and the Motor Vehicle Branch could not override the law therefor the paperwork I have is no good. How I got this paperwork from the MVB was when the pigs tried to take my drivers license because I smoked Medical Marijuana and should not have a license to drive as I may be a danger on the road I guess. I am 67 years old and have never had an accident. I have smoked pot daily for the past 40+ years. My jobs include being an Auto Electrician, GM service Manager,truck driver, small motor mechanic and salesman. How could I do all this shit if Marijuana affected me the way the pigs think it does?
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Yes that's exactly right it fosters safe speeds,being such a feeling thing, and who wants to speed through [what's left of] this beautiful heaven called earth if they're halfway sane anyway?
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Ha Ha Ha...........I knew it
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All this time I thought I was driving slow because I was paranoid of getting pulled over by a cop. Guess these studies blow a big hole in LEO arguments that MMJ laws lead to increases in DUI incidents. Of course that won't stop them from using the argument. They have plenty of "evidence" to support their claims. If you pull enough people over for "driving erratically" and test them for THC you are sure to find some with it in their system. No matter if the last bowl they smoked was 3 days ago...
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All this time I thought I was driving slow because I was paranoid of getting pulled over by a cop. Guess these studies blow a big hole in LEO arguments that MMJ laws lead to increases in DUI incidents. Of course that won't stop them from using the argument. They have plenty of "evidence" to support their claims. If you pull enough people over for "driving erratically" and test them for THC you are sure to find some with it in their system. No matter if the last bowl they smoked was 3 days ago...
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