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| Joe Grumbine, above, and Joe Byron were found guilty of all counts Wednesday by a jury in Long Beach, California |
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| Defendants Joe Grumbine, left, and Joe Byron: Jury says guilty on all counts |
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First of all, tobacco is not the "most dangerous drug of all". It is the legitimization of it's use that has led to widespread proliferation and useage, thus producing the highest incidence of morbidity and mortality. Just because tobacco has slipped through the cracks due to it's long historical use does not mean we need to add to the problem by legitimizing more drugs. If we do, then the morbidity and mortality from those drugs will rise correspondingly as their use increases. In case you haven't noticed, tobacco useage (and companies) have been under constant assault in the last few decades. The same can be said of alcohol. The days of the 2 martini lunch are long over.
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Ok, where exactly in the medical marajuana law does it say you can profit from the sale of marajuana?
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"The judge would not allow the full law into the case, only the parts that could show guilt"....That is all you need. The other parts of the law don't in any way negate the fact you can't sell it and make a profit. You can follow the law 90% and still be in violation if you break a major restriction which they did.
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Most likely he wouldn't mind being ignored by potheads everywhere. Believe it or not, marajuana and the issues surrounding it are the furthest thing from most peoples mind. If this issue plays such an important role in your life then maybe you need to re-evaluate your priorities.
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So jurors and individuals should just be able to pick and choose the laws they want to follow and don't feel are just? That's called anarchy moron.
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Why would you fabricate a P&L that makes you look guilty?
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The higher courts will overturn filing a false tax return? Failing to pay SBOE sales tax? It's a simple case, they made a huge profit, and didn't claim it as income or pay proper sales tax on it. Their own records and testimony convicted them.
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Where in the constitution is speeding in an automobile specifically banned? All your pro-doper crap has been tested in the courts for decades and guess what? You always lose.
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He gave a simple explanation of how thew verdict was determined. Now you turn it around, put words in his mouth, and make assumptions about how he might view a completely different scenario? If they would have paid themselves a "decent salary" and filed proper tax returns based on this income they would not be in trouble. If they would have paid the state board of equalization the proper sales tax money they would not have been in trouble. Your anti-government rant has nothing to do with this case.
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I want to know more about that aswell..... Tell us Simple!!!! Stealing power? tell us all about the power theft that occurred or didn't occur.
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I am sorry candyee,,you stumbled into a bunch of heads talking about pot,,,thats like showing up at an orgy talkin about work.
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You are right!! The 18th and 21st Amendment had nothing to do with marijuana. Only ALCOHOL... It takes a Constitutional Amendment to ban something that may by a stated, unstated, natural, or even unnatural RIGHT. In fact there is no authority given to the federal government for a denial of any item!!!!!
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What is that statue???? And I can bet you that doesn't apply to medical marijuana dispensaries that California has licensed... That statue the judge gave you is the general purpose for people are NOT covered under the state medical marijuana programs. .. Governments are more or less a non profit, and yet they make profits everyday.
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You'd think somebody from LEAP would have been in attendance. Someone like federal judge James Gray could have made a difference...!
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Is it possible that judge Charles D. Sheldon has age-related dementia? Bizarre behavior, temper tantrums, screaming in the courtroom...
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I say again: he or she should be shunned! We need to repudiate the entire corrupt system that presumes to put these two into prison (at considerable expense). Sam, you need to understand that there is a war on; in that context, shunning is the least we can do. If you do not understand the need to or can't confront the people who operate and condone it, you cannot contribute that much to the process of ending it. People who use cannabis remain a minority of the population (In California, Colorado, and generally) -- they can either acquiesce in the violation of human and Constitutional rights going on in this country, or fight it -- the prohibitionists have been waging war on the American people for far too long without challlenge.
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I like your comments. Put in through a spell checker first, so you don't appear to be twelve years old. Seriously, some good points touched upon. Keep writing, too. It's nice to hear your opinions, despite the fact that your voice is not audible, so why do we call it "hearing"? Eh? Figure that one out sweety.
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C'mon guy, you're getting out of hand and self-righteous. These are just concepts bandied about between domesticated primates. Little elecrton squiggles on an LCD screen. Resorting to ad hominem attacks makes you lose credibility. Which is a shame because you have hitherto made some excellent analysis of the drug war.
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It's sad we still have people in this country willing to convict people and destroy lives all for a plant. Why don't you read the US Constitution and tell me exactly where it allows for the prohibition of cannabis? Have some balls and stand up to the system when it is corrupt and tries to enforce unconstitutional laws.
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The judge definitely did not explain jury nullification -- we need to make sure that every American who might be called for jury duty understands it before they enter the courts of rabid animals like Sheldon.
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I've talked about this before about another case... relating to judges not allowing a patient to speak about his or her defense. And especially if they are supposed to be covered under state law. The government has no right to restrict speech at all.... That goes for federal and state government. We have right to speech to defend ourselves, and a right not to speak if we choose. First Amendment-Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. And this also applies to state government under the 14th Amendment. Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.(((((( No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States))))); nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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Simple Asthat, Why didn't you just nullify the the entire thing? Was jury nullification explained to you before you were sent to come up with the verdict with your fellow jurors?
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Everyone should ignore what you say, turn their backs on you in public, leave when you enter a room; you are an extremely evil person.
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Ye gods!
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so Robert..what your saying is LSd is ok to take>>. hm.. i say not.. i had my counsin kill him self from LSd.. and i rather not have that statement say its like cannabis.. which its not.. but like anyone who has a elergic reation, can die .. even from cannabis.. which i have met one person that is alergice to cannbis.. and breaks out ... so.. like any drugs out there. some people can be alergic to cannabis.. but gesh.. LSD? get real... its not the same as cananbis.. and cannabis sould be in a diffrent scheduled than wht it is in now.. hm..
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Has anyone even read truely what the medical cannabis laws state concerning this issue at all? it is illegal to sell.. period.. it is illegal to operate a store front .. period.. each store front out there are commerialized.. and making a profit.. and where is all the monies going? I knew a person that stated to me that he made 500 in one day.. .. I don't give a dame if your someone that everyone loves.. your doing them good because your charging 4.00 or 25 or 35.. for a gram? How is that going to help a person that is really in sad shape? hm.. anyway.. it is illegal to sell cannabis under state laws.. it is illegal to sell in a comerialized busines cannabis.. but yet.. a regular store font can sell bongs, pipes, ect.. and say its for tobacco use.. which is bogas.. for we all know its for the use of cannabis.. What needs to be done.. is reshedule cananbis .. for medical use only.... sorry.. i do not support legalization of cananbis but i do support medical use of cananbis... and there must be a solution to all the other drugs that are harmful to our society.. and that should be making tobacco and booze illegal as well.. in my opion.. for tobacco cause cancer in all aspects of our body,, brain cancer, stomack cancer, skin cancer, ect.. and people get killed from stupid people whom drink and drive.. with their children in the car.. and it should be taboo.. but no.. that is legal and allowed in each store that has a licence to sell booze.. welll... why not cannabis?... legalization.. yeah.. to most they say.. this is what they want.. ok.. say we do get legalization.. big corporations will take over it.. like those whom produce tobacco sticks.. will be producing cannabis sticks.. and it will not be the kind that we have now.. for they will tear it apart.. and then it will sell in stores.. and you will have to be over the age of 21 to obtain it.. and you will be paying high prices and taxes each time you buy this.. and you will not be able to obtain it from any other source .. and you will not be allow to grow it yourself.. for that will be taken away from you as well.. sorry.. The governmet has control.. no matter what our choices may be or what we the people have voted for.. this generation that is here is falling apart.. and so is our government.. so what do we do now... Support of the right to be with a partner of your own choice,, by both being of the same sex or by those of you being the opposite sex.. or a woman whom deceides that she wants an abortion, or not to have one.. that is a choice.. freedom is no longer here for us.. the people for the people by our constituion is no longer in the presence of time.. it has been changed over and over again over the years and our government has been holding the power ever since... no.. folks.. there is no justice at all.. and everyone is a criminal that utalizes cannabis.. even for medical.. so now what folks... this has been going on for years on end.. but still the laws are the laws.. and if you break the laws,, and do not wear that blue uniform , or practice law, or work for the state or on the seat of being a judge,, ect.. then your just pure dog due in a pile of straw.. looking for that needle in the haystake.. so to say the least.. No matter how you might justify things.. stil when it comes to the matter of the law.. my question to you is.. were dose it state you can sell cannabis in a comerialized bussness store front..or even selling it from a garden grow. .. pray tell.. so that i know what is legal and not legal.. to me.. nothing in the laws states you can sell .. even for not for profit.. in coop , ect.. pardon me for spelling.. but i am a person with challenges.. but cannabis has nothing to do with it.. I am turely sorry Joe and Joe... maybe the step to take next is to go to a higher court.. anyway .. in spite of all that is happen.. enjoy what time you have with your family.. and may the blessings of positive come to you all on this holdiay season..
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where dose it state that you can sell cannabis.. even in Prop 215 and even in SB420 it dosent' state anything about sales.. or even a store front... I have the copy of the Attorney General Guidelines and SB420... and Prop215.. nothing about sales being involved or even mention sales.. and out of pocket expence is not sales.. out of pocket expence is for those patients whom join together in unity to grow their own, to transport , and share in the out of pocket expense in a coop, cooroperative, association of patients.. Nothing states about store fronts ... but anyone saying that they are legally allow to sell cannabis is in my book giving out wrong information to go down the path of wrong doing... Cannabis was meant for the purpose of compasionate use for the terminally and ill citizens whom benifit from the use of this plant.. now everyone wants to use cannabis... and now they want to make new initatives to allow store front comerialized business for cannabis and open it up for any adult to utalize over the age of 19.. wtf... I utalize cananbis,, and i support the medical use of cananbis and have for some time now since i have seen myself change while i have been using it over a long period of time.. and it has worked for many whom are facing health challenges .. but now legalization of the cannabis plant is in great demand.. for in my eyes.. its like the gold rush.. everyone wants to make monies from cannabis.. and most of the citizens whom are unable to grow, ect.. are willing to go to a store front and willing to pay the high cost that they ask for ,, and put names on diffrent strains . its confusing to me to say the least.. Indica or Stavia.. that is all i am concern about.. i don't give a hoot about the names.. as long as it is clean and not have all that stuff in it .. and grown organicly in dirt.. than i am ok.. but if its grown indoor,, and has that aftertaste from the ingreedence that they put into it.. then i don't care how nice of a bud it may look like .. it makes me sicker and nausously to say the least... so.. no thank you... i rather grow my own, in my own back yard if i can..and i can by the laws of the state.. i am able to grow my own, as long as i have that letter of recomendation and i also get the califfornia Id medical marijuana card... so.. i feel ok.. having it.. I am not for helping others get rich off of my ailments.. and i am not paying for my other drugs that i get for it , so why should i have to pay for cannabis... and why should i ask.. why should we have it taxed.. that is for business that makes a profit that have to pay taxes.. as i understand it... but.. I am sad to say the least to Joe and Joes family , for this is a very hard path to follow.. but to have a family strong unity to stand behind Joe and Joe is a very important thing to have.. inspite of the charges,, i still do not think that anyone should go to jail.. but if your proven guilty by the courts that are standing behind the laws of this state.. which i feel that this Judge did not .. for it is a state law.. but it seems to me.. this judge treated it like it was a federal case instead.. there should not be bias opions when it comes to being a Judge. its not by his personal views of this subject,, that is to be involved.. here at all. but by what the laws of the state allows... so the view of the supporters of Joe will be bias to the views of the court and the jurors whom have found them guilty... so.. my question is.. did they go by the laws of the state concerning this issue or did they go by the personal views of the Judge? ...
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"To the juror, you are not to blame" -- you are dead wrong.
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Look, you guys -- the problems we face go far, far beyond the concerns you all raise. We are not just going to exempt cannabis from Prohibition; we need to repeal the Controlled Substances Act itself. There are better ways to deal with real problems of addiction to drugs than the extirpation of our freedom (collectively and individually). Our present scheme of criminal penalties is almost inversely proportional to the problems caused, with the most dangerous drug of all, tobacco (which kills 435,000 Americans every year), barely restricted and readily available to minors in and around their schools (where many acquire the addiction which will eventually kill them), while drugs like THC and LSD, which kill no one, carry draconian criminal penalties. Set your sights much higher than the precarious position that cannabis is medicine. It is, of course, but more than that, it is a personal choice of adults which cannot be shown to threaten the public health -- we need to affirm the rights of adults to choose what they put into their own bodies; the consequences of legalizing all drugs cannot be one thousandth as harmful to society as the consequences of the way we deal with people who use illicit drugs now. P.S. The mortality data from all illicit drugs combined annually in the US is only ~17,500. We have put more people in prison in both absolute and per capita terms than any other nation on earth, making a nonsense of America's cherished belief that it is "the land of the free" (3.2% of the entire population of the country in jail or prison, or on parole or probation), and this is largely due to our laws against drugs -- but we allow a drug which kills almost twenty-five (25) times as many Americans as all illicit drugs put together! We have been pursuing an insane policy with regard to the regulation and criminalization of drugs -- throwing over our birthright and harming the public health both. A new study out of UCD shows that states that have adopted medical cannabis laws have seen a 9% drop in traffic fatalities due to the drivers' substitution of cannabis for alcohol; this is a real and significant effect of drug policy on public health, but were our drug laws rational to any degree, they would all bear on tobacco, six times more deadly than traffic accidents (~31,000 deaths annually), prescription drugs (~37,500 deaths annually), and all illegal drugs (~17,500 deaths annually) together.
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Utterly irrelevant! Our drug laws themselves outrage our founding principles. No one is guilty of a drug offense. Jurors are free to vote their consciences without fear of retribution; apparently, you don't have one.
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Disgusting! You and your ilk are why the United States of America has become a tyranny.
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as i pointed out previously simple - what you were looking at was not a complete picture - it did not take into consideration the money that had been used to set up the grow, or the other collective locations, furnishings, security etc, the fact that the grow had not started to produce at the time of the raid and that they were paying for the meds as well.
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To the juror, you are not to blame. But you never heard the whole story. Throughout this year long trial, that began with $250,00 bail (more than the county recommends for rapists, child molesters and kidnappers) intended to keep the Joe's in jail (who have no prior convictions for ANYTHING) and through the preliminary hearing that disallowed the defendant's ability to present ANY evidence, then through the 6 months of pr-trial hearings where the judge denied over 20 motions to allow a defense, to ultimately the judge denying a medical defense or ANY mention whatsoever of medical marijuana, and the judge then getting over turned in the appellate court before trial even began, the trial was a travesty. But the jury was never allowed to know ANY of that. The ultimate piece of this is the defense requested dozens of items of seized evidence that were NEVER turned over to the defense. Their very existence was denied by the police. The defense lawyer Chris Glew even took the stand to say there were items of evidence the police lost or destroyed, that would have shown the reality of the numbers and accounting. Those numbers actually showed a net loss to the collective as opposed to an overwhelming profit. The collective was deeply in the red when they were raided. They were a new business. Their first grow hadn't even been completed, there was not even one harvest. So the profit numbers were totally bogus. But somehow those particular items, along with a written employee reprimand for on the job drinking made to the disgruntled employee that started this whole case out of malice, disappeared. Poof, like so many smoke clouds. Not to mention the 5 cases of defense witness intimidation that the judge refused to do anything about. Sorry, but the jury got it totally wrong and convicted 2 innocent, compassionate men. But the jury was duped and not allowed to hear the truth. That's Long Beach Kangaroo Court, Sport! The OC Weekly had a reporter in the courtroom most days. As I was in the courtroom every day, I can vouch for the accuracy of his story. http://www.ocweekly.com/2011-12-22/news/judge-charles-d-sheldon-joe-byron-grumbine-medical-marijuana/
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The paperwork you saw was fabricated by the DA. Also, if you believe MJ should be legal you should have found them not guilty regardless. But I guess your xmas shopping is more important then two honorable mens lifes. Did you know that Joe G had the exact same charges dismissed in another court. Of course not, the judge would not allow you to hear that. Did you know that the judge at 1st would not even allow a medical defense but a higher court slapped him down? Of course not. If you guys say the entire case and saw all the fact, you would have made a different decision. The attys hands were tightly bound and their mouths muzzled.
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They did not make huge profits. One of the Joe's is about to lose his house and the other is scrambling to make ends meet. You did not see the truth. You say only what the judge allowed and was fabricated by the DA. The P&L statement you say was a fabrication.
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The judge only let you see what he wanted you to see. All of the evidence and the law that would show innocence was not allowed. Follow the case and you will see the higher court will overturn your crazy verdict. The higher court already found Sheldon wrong once in this case and they will do it again. Sheldon is an activist judge that took advantage of the law and the jury.
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The judge would not allow the full law into the case, only the parts that could show guilt. He did not allow SB420 or the any thing the Attorney General wrote in relation to how medical MJ can legally be dispensed. The Jury only saw 10% of the law. Read the Attorney General guidelines and SB420 and see if you come up with the same verdict. Also, the judge said outside of earshot of the jury that he believes ALL sales are illegal (the real law says otherwise) so he was on the prosecution side from the beginning. Couldn't you see that? Joe and Joe are good men with families and friends. They help the sick and disabled. Shame on you for finding guilt in that. Pharmaceutical companies make billions in profit selling hard drugs like vicoden and oxy that kill people, and people selling a mild substance like MJ (no one has ever OD's on it) go to jail? WTF!
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The judge would not allow the full law into the case, only the parts that could show guilt. He did not allow SB420 or the any thing the Attorney General wrote in relation to how medical MJcan legally be dispensed. The Jury only saw 10% of the law.
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It was a mistake made by an electrician. The building is over 100 yrs old and the existing wiring and junction boxes were not marked or previously wired properly. Some were phantom boxes and others wired to the wrong unit. It was an honest mistake that they rectified with SCE before the case but the city still filed charges to pile on and make an example of.
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Hold on a sec Asthat, why would undercover cops be making drug buys at all under legit recommendations. Isn't that itself not just entrapment? Were these guys living lavish lives?
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Jury nullification indeed. I'm confused, how do they find jury members who know nothing about legal medpot facilities? Are those guys being charged with violating the bylaws medpot dispensaries?
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Thanks for the explanation. So looking at it in that light, I guess it will be okay in your mind for the states to take over the medical cannabis distribution and make the profits like they are trying to bind us with in Washington State. I fully support the non-profit model and don't begrudge anyone for making a decent salary if they are giving the bulk of the "profits" to food banks and other public service groups, but I'm totally and entrenched in not allowing the states to monopolize on what they have for over a half century to make criminals out of basically innocent people. That is in and of itself the supreme hypocrisy and typical of the wreckless government that we now have wanting to control a botanically classified herb. What's worse, the DEA and its Fast and Furious and cartel money laundering and no one going to jail or losing their jobs or putting people in jail who don't run guns or launder money for the cartels, but only provide what patients and the general public want? To me, the government is the bigger criminal.
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i guess YOU ignored what i said. had nothing to do with that. california law does not allow someone who cultivates or distributes medical marijuana to make a profit. if THEIR OWN PAPERWORK had shown they broke even then NOT GUILTY, but their own paperwork showed they made a huge profit.
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So they gave medicine to undercover cops who had there autherization? And that's illegal? They sure are getting desperate, what a way to waste money when we need it the most
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So in this case and in this jury if their paperwork had shown that they had broken even they would not have been found guilty or at the least the jury would have been hopelessly deadlocked.
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There was no "gag" order so I am free to speak my mind. It came down to this: California law (as it was told to me by the judge) does not allow anyone to cultivate or distribute medical marijuana for PROFIT. And the fact of the matter that after looking at THEIR OWN HANDWRITTEN PAPERWORK and doing the math (revenue (which we low balled) minus their expenses (which we were overly generous with) their was a ridiculous amount of money left over which could not be accounted for. like I said, plain and simple.
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I started reading the comments but realized that none of you were on the jury. I am a member of the jury that convicted Mr Byron and Mr Grumbine and it had nothing to do with whether or not we have a right to have access to medical marijuana (which I believe we do have a right to it), but had everything to do with the MANNER in which they helped run the collectives that distributed the (medical) marijuana.
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The United States Criminal Injustice Department, the Drug Enforcement Agency, every cop, prosecutor, and judge in the country who act to enforce our present drug laws are enemy combatants against our People and Constitution, a vast criminal conspiracy more harmful to society by far even than tobacco, which kills 435,000 Americans every year -- would that 435,000 of them would expire tonight!
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I would like to hear more about this electricity theft charge. If they were stealing electricity to run a grow, they deserve to go to jail. That is a no no. they should have known better.
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Hopefully the judges actions are grounds for appeal or a new trial. His actions fly in the face of an impartial trial and conduct and if allowed to be upheld shows just how degenerate this country has gotten.
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The irony here is that the pre-alzheimer's dementia this elderly, ignorant judge is obviously suffering from can probably be cured by cannabis. He's a victim of his own drug war.
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The government and law enforcement continues to perpetuate an outdated prohibition that kills and incarcerates hundreds of thousands people every year. This war on the American citizens is one of the biggest crimes against humanity in history. If you add up all the deaths caused by the US drug laws in all countries and the number of people incarcerated by these outdated draconian drug laws you get something akin to a holocaust, were large numbers of people are killed and imprisoned for what? smoking a plant? Obama, the House and Senate supporters of prohibition, the DOJ and Drug Czar should all be held accountable for the murders and suffering caused by the US drug laws. A trial in a world court would be appropriate for these mass murderers.They keep trying to put the blame on the cartels, the citizens who smoke marijuana when the real culprit is the laws and the people who support them. End prohibition now, save lives around the world. Write your representative and tell them you want them to stop this insanity or you will vote them out. Inaction by any of us means we will continue to allow people to be killed and incarcerated by the ignorance of our elected leaders and the outdated laws they support. Finally, the media that continues to run sensationalist stories about the drug war without highlighting the tragedy caused by the US drug laws is also complicit in the horrendous suffering and deatch that results from our governments continued pursuit of prohibition.
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Kangaroo Court Yields Insane Verdict. How can you add to that?
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