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| Concentrates like this Headband Wax aren't exactly "banned" under a new Department of Public Health memo. But DPH "recommends" that the dispensaries "not produce or dispense" them. WTF? |
Under the heading "Medical Cannabis Edibles Advisory," DPH, the department which regulates San Francisco's 21 dispensaries, recommends the collectives "do not produce or dispense syrups, capsules, or other extracts that either required concentrating cannabis ingredients or that requires a chemical production process," reports Chris Roberts at SF Weekly.
There are figurative WTFs all over the advisory, which could be quite problematic for S.F. shops, which could arguably be required to remove many cannabis-infused edible products, as well as hashes, kiefs, oils, tinctures, and other concentrates from their shelves in order to be seen as "playing by the rules." This is of more than casual interest, since recent federal raids have usually been blamed on shops violating state and local laws (all dispensaries are technically in violation of the federal Controlled Substances Act at all times).
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| CO2-extracted hash oil |
If S.F. really goes forward with the ill-advised (non)"ban," patients could be adversely impacted, as well. Many patients need the concentrated forms of cannabis to combat their symptoms, and quite a few can't smoke or vaporize due to lung issues, instead sprinkling kief, hash or oil in hot cocoa or coffee or on food, or eating hash brownies, for instance.
The memo in question, according to SF Weekly, "purports to deal more with medical marijuana edibles, which means any orally consumed medical marijuana products, from a brownie to a cough drop and a tincture or a tea."
"To avoid potential hazards associated with edibles, the Department recommends medical cannabis and collectives ... limit the production of medical cannabis edibles to non-hazardous foods, such as baked goods, candies and teas," the memo reads. (What, exactly, is a hazardous food?)
Shops are also advised to "clearly label medical cannabis edibles" (a good idea) and to "be able to trace all medical cannabis edibles to their source constituents," among other things.
DPH spokeswoman Eileen Shields reiterated in an email to the Weekly that there's no "ban" in place. San Francisco city law [PDF] defines medical marijuana as "all parts of the plant cannabis."
One of the most troubling parts of this all is that dispensaries could be seen as "violating DPH regulations" and such violations could be used as excuses to shut the shops down. And, as the Weekly points out, it could make the city's dispensaries "look bad" in front of the federal Drug Enforcement Administration, which has no doubt just been itching for an excuse to raid more shops.
"It would make us look like we're skirting the rules," said an anonymous dispensary operator.
Could this be an attempt to take the dispensaries out of the tincture business before Sativex -- the Big Pharma tincture made by the U.K.'s GW Pharmaceutical -- makes its American debut?
Patient advocates and activists including David Goldman of Americans for Safe Access are scheduled to attend the Department of Public Health's 4 p.m. meeting on Tuesday, to inform them that cannabis concentrates must stay in the dispensaries.
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Dave Goldman,SF ASA meeting, 3/20/12: "Don't worry,this was all a big misunderstanding". They spent all of 30 seconds on this story. Why so hush-hush?
This is just crazy.. concentrates are just as safe as smoking the leaf.If not safer, as it's pure thc rather than thc and burning plant material.it's not chemically extracted.Unless butter is a chemical (in the case of edibles) or CO2 in the case of (Headwax) as shown above.
It's unfortunate this debate broke down so quickly into flaming...im not sure if BHO is safe. Why would I grow a plant organically in coconut fiber then take a can of butane to the end product? Makes no sense to me. However, I fully support hashish, either dry sift or water. I'm not arguing BHO/WAX/ or dabbing should be banned (after all I do the dabs when offered so it be silly of me) I'd like to see a good discussion on whether BHO is safe to ingest. I'm suggesting it's not...
I would welcome a BHO debate as well.
However, claiming that concentrates are illegal, as was falsely claimed by trolls, is not the way to elicit that debate here.
I shared your concern however it seems that there is no remaining solvent in the concentrate to worry about. You might remain concerned about food grade and non-food grade Butane and be sure you're using food grade. I imagine the differences are in the non-butane ingredients that add odor to the butane. If you plan to leave the solvent in then you might want to choose one thats edible like butter or olive oil or everclear but if you're taking all the solvent out then it doesn't matter.
Steve Elliott = Joke of the Town CENSOR COWARD.
Run and hide from the FACTS and REALITY that don't support your bong-sucking delusions.
"Journalist" my ass.
This asshole thinks he's so badass, why doesn't he run his own site or write his own articles? Haters, hate.
Of course they're attacking concentrates - that's where the actual cures are. Smoking weed won't cure cancer but the concentrates can if you eat them. That's the first threat to the largest corporation that has a huge stake in cannabis prohibition - Big Pharma.
More obfuscation: the "chemicals" used in extracting cannabis is/are the same as you find in every can of Pam Cooking Spray ever made and you probably have some in your pocket next to your genitals right now - butane gas. Yup - non-toxic (if you believe science anyway - faith healers and other morons might have a different idea) and it's everywhere.
Rick Simpson and his OIL are out of the bottle and the CURE is out there, you just have to find it.
Of course they're attacking concentrates - that's where the actual cures are. Smoking weed won't cure cancer but the concentrates can if you eat them. That's the first threat to the largest corporation that has a huge stake in cannabis prohibition - Big Pharma.----great point Swazi---think you hit the nail on the head.
HASH IS A FELONY !!
C.R.S. 18-18-406. Offenses relating to marihuana and marihuana concentrate. ***(b) Any person who possesses eight ounces or more of marihuana or any amount of marihuana concentrate commits:(I) A class 5 felony; or ***
And they cried "WHAAAAA, WHAAAAA, WHAAAAAA" all the way home. The three little piggies, Donkey-Hotay, Sancho_Panza and Yohansmisery. And behold, there were 4 horsemen. Hate, Fear, War, Misery.
Oh, nice try. Our discussion is about medical marijuana patients and dispensaries.
Why are you posting a link to Colorado's non-medical state marijuana law -- which doesn't apply to Colorado's patients?
Obfuscation, perhaps? Or the last pathetic gasp of someone who just realized they are arguing for an erroneous point of view?
In any event. Trying to scare, upset and confuse patients with bogus "facts" about the medical marijuana laws is not cool. It's time for you to take a time out to reflect on how wrong it is to do that.
You get to have your own opinion -- you don't get to tell damn lies and have your own facts. Especially on a critically important treatment option like cannabis concentrates, without which many seriously ill patients would be in a great deal of trouble.
Think about that, and about how important is the truth to you -- and how important it should be.
Great response Steve. However.....you should have blocked his ass a long time ago--he's dumbing down toke of the down....and that's unacceptable.
Why do you reply to reply to someone you just CENSORED and BLOCKED from posting, eh Steve ~alacoward~ Elliott ?
Steve Elliot, censor fascist, editor of Joke of the Town, can't refute the facts posted by Donkey_Hotay, so like a gutless Rush Limbaugh-esqe coward he BLOCKS the messages he doesn't like.
Steve Elliot = PAID Pot Propagandist for VVM advertising who panders to his puerile choir of ignorant illiterate stoners, and won't tolerate any counterpoint discussion.
Say, did it occur to your ignorant bitch ass that I can see your IP address and that it's the same as Donkey's? ROFLMAO!!!
Donkey can spell real well, probably got a trophy or ribbon or something in elementary school for spelling, but that's where it ends on the intelligence level. Silly COPS/Cannabis is for everyone.
Can you even fucking read, Donkey, I mean "Sancho"? LOL.
Because if you can, the answer to what just happened is right there in front of your stupid goddamn face, dumb-ass.
If Donkey wants to have a discussion (and he's been monopolizing the conversation here for months, Christ knows), that's one thing. But Donkey's lies about hash being illegal for patients are not just lies, they're also hurtful and upsetting to seriously ill patients who depend upon safe access to concentrates.
Say, did it occur to your ignorant bitch ass that I can see your IP -- and that it's the same as Donkey's? ROFLMAO!!!
While you're blocked yourself, cunt, devote your time to studying how to spell my motherfucking name right. See ya, fuck wad!
dont forget to force all the pharmacies to stop making extra strenght medicene.... some patients need the extra strength THC
This just in, Steve Elliot smoked a joint then fucked his mom in her asshole, tasted it and said yummy CHOCOLATE'.
Thank you for making it clear to everyone how deeply "loser" one loser can be.
So what will it be, readers? Wanna keep this guy around, or is he just not funny anymore?
Personally Steve, I enjoy trying to engage Yohanismisery in a War of Words and Wit, like I do Donkey. Donkey at least replies back and appears to be quite educated (but not knowledgeable about the truth regarding mj). Yohanismisery on the other hand never replies to or answers back to defend himself, leaving me to believe that when it comes to a War of Words and Wit, Yohanismisery is out of ammunition or doesn't have the Will to fight. Now I'll admit I can say some really fucked up shit to very few here, but even I am not stupid enough to slander you or your matriarch, even if I had a reason to, which I don't and never have. That being said, somebody brings my mother into it in such a fashion as this, you ain't even gonna see it coming, I'll hit you from my standing pose. Retribution will be swift and forthcoming. But hey, that's just me.
Can him....not funny anymore (never was). He belongs on that other site: close-minded ass-hole cops feeding their budgets on the backs of freedom loving Americans
This just in- that Yohan dude aint funny.
Doesn't seem to have a point of view, or even want to argue. Pathetic punk just wants attention. Foul, and unimaginative spew is all he has to offer.
502 is Bad Law and will not pass.
Crazy thoughts like "It's more fun to watch this pathetic ass-wig make a fool of himself than to block him"?
Yeah...
Don't worry Steve, he has a sad life. He hasn't been out of the basement in months, the smell that is coming out of there is unimaginable.
Eat another Burger you fat sack of shit.
I don't care, block me. Reading your bullshit claims is far more entertaining than commenting. :-) have a nice day fatass!
Is that the best you got? LOL.
If reading my stuff is more entertaining than commenting, then I'd suggest you shut the fuck up with your proud ignorance and start reading -- strictly out of concern for your own entertainment, of course.Z
You're not significant enough to block, you pathetic, masturbatory loser.
Toke of the town is a subsidiary of village voice media who also affiliates itself with prostitution and human trafficking sites. Nice job!
You cry wolf more than the other boy. Steve must have really hurt your precious little feelings. So now it's time for you to "try" slandering. Hate the game not the player. Grow up you little fucking whining baby. WHaaaaaa!!!!!!
I'd be alright with calling someone the Nword if I wanted to start a fight! The president is a nigger for going back on his campaigning promises!
Meh.....that's a cop out. There have been a ton of gay folks beaten, harassed, bullied, and killed while hearing "faggot" being screamed at them. It's a homophobic slur no matter how you want to spin it. Would you call somebody a "nigger" and be alright with it? All derogatory hate terms are sickening and do nothing to promote a conversation on a web site/message board. Nice non-apology.
Sorry JK, I didn't mean it in a homophobic slur way. I meant it in a derogatory kind of way, you know the way somebody calls you a pussy when they want to fight you, as in step up to the plate so I can kick your fucking ass kind of way. Is this a clue as to your sexual orientation! Sorry if opposites don't attract in your case. Homophobic means "fear of or hatred of". I don't fear gays. And I don't hate gays. I am a male lesbian. My apologies that you took it the wrong way. I see Donkey Hotay is "funny" also.
This is an attempt too take the dispensaries out of the tincture business before Sativex makes it's debut.
All these actions that are going on in the dispensary states is directly associated with G.W. Pharma and Sativex and others. The govt. will look like the good guys that they aren't to the public, when all of these new cannabis based products come on the market in the next few years by the BIG PHARMA's.
Hash is Illegal, hash is on the schedule 1 list as if it were a different substance, that is why hash is a controversial public topic.
Bergen Decision (2008) determined that qualified patients making edibles, hash and kief are clearly legal but using butane to make hash oil is chemical extraction that is not covered by the medical use statutes — although the oil product is legal. Click here to view as a PDF (44k).
If Butane is a "chemical extraction" then so is Alcohol or any other solvent.
And, btw, Supercritical CO2 extraction would also fall under their nonsensical definition of "chemical".
Idiots.
Cannabis flowers themselves are federally on Schedule I.
ALL parts of the cannabis plant -- even the freakin' SEEDS, if they're viable -- are considered by the feds to be a Schedule I controlled substance.
Having said that, hash is NOT "illegal" under state law in medical marijuana states. They've tried to SAY it is, but the laws aren't written that way. Hash, as we all know, is simply concentrated marijuana. If marijuana is legal medically, hash is legal medically.
Thanks for replying, Hash is on the Schedule 1 list along with cannabis.
I understand ALL parts of the cannabis plant even the seeds are schedule 1, what i am pointing out is that hash is on the list of substances as if it were a totally different product. But as we all know hash is just a concentrated form of the flowers.
That is why S.F is recommending the dispensaries stop selling them, Medical marijuana is legal to sell under some state laws and legal to use in most state laws, hash is illegal to sell under most medical cannabis laws but it is legal to use medically.
This is draconian and it would change if hash were recognized for what it is, a concentrated form of this wonderful non-toxic herb.
Concentrates are, under Federal law and most State laws, treated separately and MORE SEVERELY than marijuana itself.
Your erroneous legal "advice" fails, and you place the stupid stoners who read and believe your nonsense at legal and criminal risk.
Does VVM have an O+E policy to cover your ass ?
"Say,"Rocinate," how did you and Donkey and "Sancho" all get the exact same IP?""It's a miracle! God has given all your "supporters" the same IP you have! Praise the Lord!"
I would venture an educated "guess" as to how this happened. Donkey has been under a great deal of stress lately and psychosis has set in and is now exhibiting signs of schizophrenic paranoid tendencies and has altered delusional states. According to one of the study's listed here on ToTT, the evil marijuana may be of great value to a successful outcome in this above mentioned case.
Say, "Rocinante," how did you and Donkey and "Sancho" all get the exact same IP?
It's a miracle! God has given all your "supporters" the same IP you have! Praise the Lord!!
Steve Elliot ~jokeofthetown~: "I'm not offering "legal advice"; I'm stating legal facts."
LOL! ... If you're stating "facts", why did you BLOCK and CENSOR Donkey_Hotay from posting?
"I don't need an "O+E policy"..."
Hold on to that delusion ...
I'm not offering "legal advice"; I'm stating legal facts.
If you would work just a little harder at your reading comprehension, you would see that I already stated -- above -- that marijuana is against federal law for any purpose.
Hashish is NOT, under any state medical marijuana law, treated separately and more severely than marijuana itself -- which is the other statement of fact I made above.
Do you dispute either of those facts? I don't need an "O+E policy" in order to tell the truth, you miserable whiner.
Hash , legal? Steve you are a dumbass! Go ahead and try to use medical standaing as a your reason to posses hash or other marijuana concentrates and ill laugh at you when you get arrested, charged and imprisoned.
Dumbass? Steve? No. Yohanmesserie? YES! Steve can spell for one thing. You, not so good. Standaing, is that Russian? Posses? Again, Russian? Good thing cops don't have to be proficient in much these days.
Yohanmesserle: Hash and concentrates are legal in dispensaries.
Arming yourself with the actual facts is always a good idea if you want to argue with me. LOL.
I've reviewed concentrates in the Seattle Weekly. Nothing happened.
Since that didn't get me busted, let me try this:
HEY LAW ENFORCEMENT: I AM IN POSSESSION OF HIGH-THC EAR WAX RIGHT NOW.
No knock at the door yet.
Hashish is legal in medical marijuana states. Sorry that makes you uncomfortable. I take that back; I'm not sorry at all. Go fuck yourself.
Um, I was charged with hash possession in CA just last year. I should them by letter of recommendation, case dismissed.
The Honorable Anthony J. Craver, Sheriff Coroner for Mendocino County needs to learn to read the law he was elected to uphold, serve and protect. Just another asshole official trying to subvert a law he doesn't like. A fine example of the bullshit we go through. Nice job Mark Sailors.
Thanks, @facebook-100000174603335:disqus ! I'd say that pretty much settles it, LOL.
@161349e330f99604ddb6a1e1eaad9495:disqus has a bad habit of talking out his ass.
