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Bailey Hirschburg... All your science goes down the toilet every time a medical cannabis patient gets their blood tested and they show no impairment even days after smoking, YET THEY PASS IMPAIRMENT TESTS!  Sometimes they are double, even triple the limit.  So much for your science!  

Seattle applies the laws on cannabis differently than other cities and counties.  Go over to Eastern Washington and light up and joint and share it with friends, see if they care about if your ounce is a legal one or not.  Hell, you can just go over to Snohomish county, for that matter.  There's still areas of this state that still don't seem to realize we've had a medical cannabis law since 1998!

"So you want thousands to continue to be criminals just cause you can't grow your own?"So you would criminalize patients, youth and minorities that drive just so you can buy one ounce from a pot store that may never exist?

LOOKOUT SCIENCE AHEAD!! “The most meaningful recent culpability studies indicate that drivers with THC concentrations in whole blood of less than 5 ng/mL have a crash risk no higher than that of drug-free users. The crash risk apparently begins to exceed that of sober drivers as THC concentrations in whole blood reach 5–10 ng/mL (corresponding to about 10–20 ng/mL in blood serum or plasma).” (Grotenhermen, Leson, Berghaus, Drummer, Krüger, Longo, Moskowitz, Perrine, Ramaekers, Smiley, and Tunbridge, Developing Science-Based Per Se Limits for Driving under the Influence of Cannabis (DUIC) (2005), available at http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/DUICreport.2005.pdf) “For drivers with blood THC concentrations of 5 ng/ml or higher the odds ratio was greater and more statistically significant (OR 6.6, 95% CI 1.5–28.0). The estimated odds ratio is greater than that for drivers with a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) of 0.10–0.15% (OR 3.7, 95% CI 1.5–9.1).” Drummer, O. H., Gerostamoulos, J., Batziris, H., Chu, M., Caplehorn, J., Robertson, M. D., & Swann, P. (2004). The involvement of drugs in drivers killed in Australian road traffic crashes. Accident, Analysis and Prevention, 36(2):239-248 “Case-control studies are inconsistent, but suggest that while low concentrations of THC do not increase the rate of accidents, and may even decrease them, serum concentrations of THC higher than 5 ng/mL are associated with an increased risk of accidents.” Sewell, R. A., Poling, J., & Sofuoglu, M. (2009). The effect of cannabis compared with alcohol on driving. Am J Addict., 18(3): 185-193. “Experimental and epidemiological study indicate that a legal limit for THC in the 7 to 10 ng/ml range (measured in blood serum or plasma, equivalent to 4 to 6 ng/ml in whole blood) offers a reasonable separation of unimpaired from impaired drivers who may pose a higher risk of causing accidents.” (Ramaekers. 2006. Commentary on Cannabis and Crash Risk: Concentration Effect Relation. In: Transportation Research Circular E-C096: Drugs and Traffic.) “The present data thus supports epidemiological data and shows that THC serum concentrations between 2 and 5 ng/ml establish the lower and upper range of a per se limit for defining general performance impairment above which drivers are at risk.” (Ramaekers, et al., 2006. Cognition and motor control as a function of Delta-9-THC concentration in serum and oral fluid: Limits of impairment) “Experimental and epidemiological data also indicate that any scientific THC standards should be in the range of 2-10ng/ml in serum (i.e. 1-5 ng/ml in whole blood. Experimental data indicate that impairment emerges at serum THC concentrations >2 ng/ml , whereas epidemiological data indicates that crash risk emerges at serum concentrations between 4 and 10ng/ml [2 to 5 ng/ml in whole blood]. (Ramaekers, et al., Dose related risk of motor vehicle crashes after cannabis use: an update, in Vester et al., 2009. Drugs, Driving, and Traffic Safety)

You talk that homophobic, bigoted shit in person you'd be sent home in single serving cans punk. Washington sucks? Fuck you and stay out, out of the State and out of our business. il502 is Bad Law and Will Not Pass.

Steve Elliot is a dick sucking faget.

This initiative implements the prohibitionist lastest tactic of Drug Czar.  They won't arrest you for possessing the cannabis....just for using it.  That's a much more serious offense and you will never have a way to know if you're even violating the law.  Don't believe me?  If you're a cannabis user, can you tell me how much THC you have in your system right now? This initiative is truly a Trojan Horse.  It gives law enforcement a dangerous new tool with which to arrest you, and successfully prosecute you, even though you're not impaired. This is truly a bad law written by bad people....with bad intent.   Alison's childish little ditty implies that all medical cannabis patients are "bad" for not supporting the bill.   Alison is lying about the science and she knows it.  Bad people lie.  Now her own sponsors have come out and said that publicly.  They still insist that you should support it, even though the science doesn't support an arbitrary per se limit.  Alison was there ....she heard them....didn't you Alison?  Keep lying!  The debates over the next two months will be even more fun for us as we tear apart every lie you've told. Please put McKay up against me.  I can't wait to challenge him on the science....not to mention that nutty Reefer Madness statement about pot smokers being responsible for headless bodies in pits in Mexico.  That one had us rolling on the floor.  McKay would make Harry Anslinger proud.  He's got to drive you nuts.  You never know WHAT will come out of his mouth next....which should make the debates very entertaining for the audience.  John's always good for a crazy zinger or two. teehee Steve Sarich NO ON I-502 Committee P.S. We will be holding a victory over 502 party on the evening of Nov. 6th.

come back to earth..out of dream land. Even if I-502passes..... as sson as 1 store opens up selling to everyone over 21..... the feds will shut it down...end of story.

All you "Yes on I-502" folks really avoid the issue about the DUID per se cutoff of 5 ng/ml. There is no science, only politics, supporting such a law. Also, the tax and regulate crowd is a bunch of quitters. Fight for ending prohibition - not legalization. Legalization assumes that the prohibition law once was just and just needs to be tweaked to make access safe. WHAT NONSENSE! Just remove cannabis from the controlled substances list and be done with it. Let's go back to the way cannabis was regulated pre-1937.

maryj So, a "no effect" cancels out the fact I-502 will end marijuana prohibition? That's the news from Bizarro World.

 "We DON'T HAVE HOME CULTIVATION NOW, so I-502 won't change anything in that regard" Well, you've convinced me not to vote for it.

Oh, brother.  The prices are already at their maximum artificial highness.  It's just a plant.  It shouldn't cost any more than tobacco - $50 an ounce for average dispensary quality.  That's just one of the many great benefits re-legalization will cause.  Of course, YOU greedy growers don't want that. We DON'T HAVE HOME CULTIVATION NOW, so I-502 won't change anything in that regard immediately.  But, since I-502 will END MARIJUANA PROHIBITION NATIONWIDE, it's the fastest way to get to home cultivation.

Fine, Eric Holder is proud of you , now what?

 " So you want thousands to continue to be criminals just cause you can't grow your own?" No idiot, they want real legalization, no this jim crow decrim for some sometimes bullshit where you sell your kids to the machine that will eat them. If you support I-502 and you're dumb and/or corrupt enough to consider it legalization than YOU are the asshole that wants to continue prohibition. But go on, tell us more about paranoid conspiracy theories.

 Soooooo.... if you're 17, and you have sex with someone your own.... you dun derp BROKE THE LLLLAWW.... Welllll golly gawsh jimmy bob. That dun make senth. Yes on I-502 durpy doo coo coo cachoo

 But this initiative is good because bad people don't like it. If you don't agree with it, you're a bad person too... But this initiative is good because bad people don't like it. If you don't agree with it, you're a bad person too... But this initiative is good because bad people don't like it. If you don't agree with it, you're a bad person too... But this initiative is good because bad people don't like it. If you don't agree with it, you're a bad person too... But this initiative is good because bad people don't like it. If you don't agree with it, you're a bad person too... But this initiative is good because bad people don't like it. If you don't agree with it, you're a bad person too... But this initiative is good because bad people don't like it. If you don't agree with it, you're a bad person too... But this initiative is good because bad people don't like it. If you don't agree with it, you're a bad person too... But this initiative is good because bad people don't like it. If you don't agree with it, you're a bad person too... But this initiative is good because bad people don't like it. If you don't agree with it, you're a bad person too... But this initiative is good because bad people don't like it. If you don't agree with it, you're a bad person too...right thing to do teehee

 Exactly. Even if it goes nowhere, it still manages to stand in the way of veritable legalization efforts., robbing support from them.

 I know this guy, Dave, he's voting yes on I-502. He says he understands the reason for it. Dave is a pedophile that likes to fuck children. But first he promises them candy. But I don't understand what he sees in I-502.

 This is the Jim Crow of "legalization", initiative impaired, initiative early intervention. 

 The holocaust was also a real change. However, an improvement in freedom it wasn't. There's a reason why they can only market it with vacuous, valueless weazle words, and desperately attack the person of all opposed to it. It's just that bad. Why are they giving in to fear with corrupt DUI provisions? Why give the government more of what it wants when it means taking more away from the people. This is counter legalization, no matter how you look at it.

Probably not as much as they're paying you. This is after all, a federal initiative. It's copy and paste the DUI provisions that the white house wants. Or maybe you can show us all the protests in the street crying out for new dui laws that fly in the face of science, reason, and freedom.

 Now now.. tell the truth. You don't think. BTW, none of my friends are voting yes on this impaired initiative. They're all mothers and they don't want to give the police another avenue with which to oppress their children.

 I'm glad you're beginning to see the contrast.  Your yes crap is asking people to commit economic suicide by voting themselves the possibility of getting a DUID over a bullshit nonscientific impairment test and level.  No on I-502 that initiative is crazy and only crazy people would vote for it.

"They are spreading fear and hyperbole based on unrealistic hypotheticals and paranoid conspiracy." You criminally corrupt bastards must also think that action-reaction is "paranoid conspiracy", rather than Newton's third physical law of motion. "You must discount the obvious effect of the action for until it comes to pass it can not be predicted based on all known history, or even the white house's own agenda clearly in print". Nice marriage of argument by ignorance, and ad hominem. Oh and, you don't live in a surveillance state either... it's actually the land of the free and home of the brave LOL. Speaking of which, this little "don't give in to fear" cheer you tools have? Let me be very clear: YOU are the ones giving into fear, and giving into the corruption of power that's industrialized that fear, with your unneeded and unscientific bullshit DUI provisions, that will indeed, just like the white house agenda stipulates, act as an early intervention dragnet, stuffing the children into "treatment". You're a monster. You eat children and wash them down with freedom. I wish upon you the finest of cancers.

 When you refer to Jim Jones, and drinking kool-aid, you are referring to the suicide of 918 human beings, including the murder of over 200 children. All of those people died in a very tragic circumstance, and they will never be coming back. Think about it, 200 innocent children were murdered. This type of crazy-talk is typical for what the 'no' people are doing. There is no logic or reason, just trying to spread your paranoid cowardice to protect the MMJ industries profitable monopoly on legal marijuana. How can you mention your morals?   I remind you that this is about legalizing the possession of 28 grams of marijuana for people over the age of 21. I really do not find it amusing how you folks are using ridiculous exaggerations, including a comparison to horrific mass death and the murder of children. You guys do not have a single valid argument that justifies the incarceration of thousands of good people for minor possession, so you come up with crazy talk. The more irrational and illogical, the more it seems to make sense for you folks. And you are seriously going to say that you have a "moral conscience vote".  You may vote 'no', but not a shred of your vote is coming from a moral place.  I understand that you do not trust politicians. The government is responsible for keeping our drinking water safe, and I am sure that is why you justify storing your urine in jars under your bed. Your hyperbole is shameful. 

Greedy growers would support this bill. It would create artificially high prices for their product, thanks to the limited number of permits they'd likely be able to get. It's another government gimme for the profiteers - both cops/law enforcement and greedy growers. No home cultivation - that's the bottom line reason to not pass this turd. Home cultivation assures the price of cannabis won't be the product of greedy growers, and will keep the power where it belongs - in EVERYBODY'S hands, not just those sanctioned by the government.

 Sure buddy

"They are spreading fear and hyperbole based on unrealistic hypotheticals and paranoid conspiracy."  Exactly what I was thinking. The NO side is completely out to lunch on this and are being led around like lemmings by moronic cavemen like Steve Elliot. I can't wait till the Initiative passes and all these mindless monkeys will be put to shame. 

I can guess you want possibly thousands or hundreds to lose their privilege to drive, yes its a privilege to drive not a right, because they have an unscientific impairment level.  Let's make all persons who get caught using their cell phone while driving face a DUID (driving under the influence of dumb) rather then a $101.00 fine?  I'd bet we see a real crack down on cell phone use while driving when it carried all those legal fees too that you want to put on medical patients and rec users. The BAC is based on body weight and most people can drink at least 3 drinks (3 ozs of alcohol) in an hour and still pass under 0.08.  One joint does not equate to three alcohol drinks.  If two people were put to the test where one had three drinks in an hour and one person smoked one joint of primo, the smoker will have more control then the alcohol drinker.  Let me pull a Romney...wanna bet $10,000?

Stop whining. And Vote yes on I -502

what wrong with that?  If you have more then the law allows you're breaking the law.  We have that now for many laws.  If you have sex with someone under 18 you broke the law.  If you have more then allowed you broke the law.   We are breaking the law now with our marijuana.  You guys are still harping on that no home grow huh. So you want thousands to continue to be criminals just cause you can't grow your own? YES ON i-502

those same greedy growers... will be the producers that supply your dumb ass.

I'll sure be glad when November is over and this place can pretend to be a news site again instead of a mouthpiece for the greedy growers against marijuana legalization.

I think you yes on I-502 have the Jim Jones Syndrome.  You're willing to drink the kool-aid thinking you're gonna get heaven on earth with a personal oz that you have to buy and not grow yourself.  Forget that any citizen can brew beer or ferment wine up to 250 gallons a year, tax free. I cannot with a moral conscience vote to make myself a possible criminal under a different color, and "trust" politicians to fix anything.

there is a difference ....i have to hang my authorization papers on the wall of my medical grow If  a cop checks out my paper work..I'm legal

 Misleading? Kampia's article basically goes through what would become law if I-502 passes. This TOT editorial says that Kampia's article doesn't mention a $250 start-up fee. Was that the misleading part?  How many people were charged at hempfest with "passing a joint"? You guys are willing to continue the current prohibition because of a technicality in a law nobody is charged with? The only thing that is misleading, or just blatantly false, is when the author writes in this editorial, "...patients are insisting upon actually reading and questioning the legislation upon which they're being asked to vote."There is a lot of trashing of individuals, misunderstanding of how the taxes are applied, and an ignorance in regards to the complicated and time-consuming process involved in charging somebody with DUID. The 'no' group is not questioning legislation, and very few understand the language in the initiative. They are spreading fear and hyperbole based on unrealistic hypotheticals and paranoid conspiracy. There has not been a single argument against I-502 that merits the continued incarceration of tens of thousands recreational consumers. Passing I-502 is great for patients, great for recreational consumers, great for Washington.  VoteYES on I-502

I am way more interested in exactly WHAT advice MPP DPF/DPA get from that cigarette-pharma legal powerhouse of Covington & Burling?http://freedomofmedicineanddiet.blogspot.com/2011/09/covington-burlings-continuing.html http://freedomofmedicineanddiet.blogspot.com/2008/03/drug-policy-foundation-legal-connection.html http://freedomofmedicineanddiet.blogspot.com/2008/03/drug-policy-foundation-advised-by-c.html http://freedomofmedicineanddiet.blogspot.com/2011/10/covington-burling-is-not-just-another.html http://freedomofmedicineanddiet.blogspot.com/2011/10/jh-covington-upheld-harrison-narcotic.html