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Ego said:
What you so innocently left out is that NOWHERE in there did they claim that it is physically addictive. In fact it is plainly obvious, due to their treatment methods, that they are treating it as a behavioral or habitual addiction, WHICH IT IS.
Just because you're happy with where you are as a pothead doesn't mean that everyone is and just because you believe you could stop at any moment doesn't mean that you can. Yes, physically you will suffer no side-effects but the psychological ability to quit just might not be there.
Posted 03/03/2010 at 01:26:18 PM
Steve Elliott ~alapoet~ replied to Ego:
So, Ego:
Do you have the "psychological ability" to stop being a judgmental asshole and a twitch?
Probably not. The psychological ability to quit just might not be there.
Posted 03/03/2010 at 01:28:11 PM
Ego replied to Steve Elliott ~alapoet~:
I see you don't want a discussion you want an argument. I'm sorry kiddo but I won't be participating in your rock fight. I must say, though, it's rather hilarious that people don't want to be judged and then they turn around and reinforce so many stereotypes just because other people have different viewpoints.
In the real world a discussion can happen without personal insults and by all means please explain to me how calling someone an asshole and a "twitch"(??) is somehow NOT judgmental.
Posted 03/03/2010 at 02:18:08 PM
mp replied to Ego:
go get 'em ego! smart stoners like you make me happy!
Posted 03/03/2010 at 10:02:37 PM
warrenproject said:
Is there a line started somewhere? Im anxious to know all the people who want to quit smoking pot.
Posted 03/03/2010 at 01:57:10 PM
smilez grower said:
Marijuana can be abused just like any other drug. For many, its just part of their drug cocktail to deal with deeper issues. This is sad when people are considered addicted and misunderstood.
Posted 03/03/2010 at 02:16:45 PM
sherre said:
Wake up boyz 'n girlz...Numero Uno: Cannabis is recognized by the American Indians as 'strong medicine'--and, use it only for that purpose--Its healing qualities far supercede any chemically-based P-Harma-ceuticals--because the human body recognizes it as such...However, the residule affect of diminished brain activity--Is alleviated by ingesting the cannabis RAW. Then, normal brain activity remains, intact. Now, if, No One but, myself, is aware of that undeniable TRUTH about cannabis...run get a capscan...I think ya'll must be brain-dead, and don't know it---or, just lack the experience and knowledge of which, I speak, or have some other agenda than alleviating human suffering. What is it???
If, anyone has no working knowledge of a subject--they know, NOt of which they speak??
Posted 03/03/2010 at 02:27:40 PM
mp said:
Im going to volunteer even if they dont pay me, been smoking pot every day for 4 years, and I love it so much and I'll smoke weed for as long I live, but even though not everyone has a problem with weed, there are people that cant go one day without it because they love it so much and I think they're trying to help the habitual side of it. maybe I could move down to 5days a week and not every day while I have a busy schedule of studying and writting,and volunteering and lots of work. This sounds SUPER INTERSTING because unlike all other weed rehab things , i dont think this follows the 12 step. I think they;re taking it as a whole new approach. This is pretty ground breaking in the marijuana community when you got stoners that want to slow down and others that believe no one needs help slowing down because thats the same as saying you're a "marijuana addict" . I usually agree with your articles but on this one you lost it. and one day when weed is legal(hopefully I-1068 passes) and there are small treatment centers to teach people how to cut back on the every day , you will have to owe them an apology.
Posted 03/03/2010 at 09:48:44 PM
Steve Elliott ~alapoet~ replied to mp:
The entire concept of "marijuana addiction" is laughable.
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/80408/
Of course, if you want to believe in the Tooth Fairy, I can't stop you.
Posted 03/04/2010 at 10:53:27 AM
mp replied to Steve Elliott ~alapoet~:
I thought you were smart mr. elliott, did I ever mention the word addiction ; NO
the ad they posted on The Stranger didn't even use the word addiction, and so far in everything the UW has put out the word addiction hasn't come up(unless you have then if so , send me the link). The only person that keeps on saying that word is YOU. thats really embarrasing.
Your lack of genuien interested in discussing this is even more laughable. when someone makes an intelligent comment about how YOU are labeling this a "Marijuana ADDICTION" and I've stated over and over again ITS NOT AN ADDICTION , you simply shoot back with a 2nd grade insult about the tooth fairy. clap clap Mr.elliott you're on your way to becoming the poster child for hubris
and to TTZ ,I am defending what i smoke and of course if i was an unintelligent stoner I would be agreeing with what steve elliott is saying. But no I'm defending marijuana no so retard can go around labeling a counsuling project a marijuana addiction rehab. and like i said to steve , one day when weed is legal and there weed counseling programs to help certain people cut back then you're going to owe the uw AN APOLOGY.
Posted 03/04/2010 at 05:08:56 PM
Jayelle Farmer replied to mp:
As long as stoners, like yourself (seeing as you said you are going to volunteer) who volunteer for such programs, weed will never become legal.
It is treacherous people like yourself who are arming the enemy in their "War on Drugs."
As a stoner of long standing, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. You are a thorough disgrace to the cannabis community and can now pat yourself on the back (NOT) for taking joint responsibility with the government for sending our people to jail.
Karma rules - what goes around comes around. You'll get your karma, down the line.
Posted 05/24/2010 at 11:16:33 AM
NorCalNative said:
Interesting comments today. I see members of the "fair and balanced" crowd are making an appearance.
If the government calls all "use" abuse then it's logical to expect and/or assume some users may become addicted.
Problem is, policy is based on conservative ideology rather than scientific evidence. While some cannabis users may suffer a mild and brief psychological withdrawal, compared to other substances of abuse it's hardly worth mentioning.
Unless of course your job depends on it.
Posted 03/04/2010 at 11:37:39 AM
Rocco replied to NorCalNative:
Precisely! There's more than enough blame to go around for the situation of the past 80 years-or-so; conservative or liberal, both parties have railed against cannabis. It is hardly the fault of the "'fair & balanced' crowd."
Posted 03/06/2010 at 08:17:21 AM
Joshua Potter replied to NorCalNative:
And if the Liberals where so concerned about global warming wouldn't Hemp be legal already since it's byproduct is oxygen? They are too busy trying to give our healthcare options over to the government when we are having the argument that cannabis is better for you than pills. Where is the consistancy? You want government healthcare but you don't want pills? Do you think that if we do get government healthcare that the government is going to stop using the multi-billion dollar pill companies for weed? Those in the liberal corner for government healthcare are going to be the undoing of the medical marijuana movement. Less control to the Feds people, they have only been able to compound our problems. Republicans won't legalize b/c the evangelicals won't let it happen, Democrats won't legalize b/c the government can't make money off of it. Any one else here for a third party? A Federalist party that puts the responsibility of the people back in the hands of the states where they reside? A party that believes that the current Federal Government is not representative of the people. A party that believes in strict adherence to the Constitution and not the crap added on to it by Woodrow Wilson? Kinda brings a tear to my eye when the organization charged with holding all of us accountable tax wise is twice the size of the FBI and 10x the size of the CIA, and has it's own courts. I know this doesn't have to do with marijuana non-addiction but it is the root of the problem. We are mired in a two party system that isn't working for us. It's working to subjugate us.
Posted 03/08/2010 at 01:22:24 PM
Jayelle Farmer replied to NorCalNative:
>If the government calls all "use" abuse then it's logical to expect and/or assume some users may become addicted. Problem is, policy is based on conservative ideology rather than scientific evidence.
Government Policy based on conservative ideology?
In that case, it is not logical to expect anything.
Look in the direction of policy being based on a billion dollar Marinol industry that the government monopolises out to pharmaceutical companies, while sending marijuana "offenders" to jail as fall guys and we begin to get to the real bottom line of marijuana prohibition.
The morality/conservative ideology is only a fake cover for the ongoing federal business of licensing chemical medication.
Bottom line: In the USA cannabis prohibition continues to exist to protect corporate financial gain - hence the fictitious "War on Drugs."
Corporate America = $
Posted 05/24/2010 at 11:04:30 AM
Enlightened One said:
People can tell you very clearly how addiction to alcohol or heroin effects them physically. A group of doctors with all of the physical information are likely to agree whether someone is addicted or not. Psychological addiction is harder to define. It is by its nature a social statement and is a judgement that one person makes about another person. Unless we can come up with clearly defined and easily verifiable standards the discussion quickly becomes a moral statement about whether one lables a habit as good or bad. Drug counselors and members of the arrest and prosecution industry tell many horror stories about marijuana addiction. Often, however, the problems that are mentioned are a direct result of the actions of a judicial system that labels any use as addiction or abuse. Very few of these people can identify someone who is an experienced user of marijuana when they are stoned by anything other than a smell of marijuana on their clothes. It's not real hard to identify an alcoholic or heroin addict if you know what to look for, especially when they are using. Real marijuana addicts are kind of like unicorns. Everyone has heard of them, maybe even a few have seen one, but they're pretty hard to come up with, unless, you do something like offer money to find some for a university study...
Posted 03/06/2010 at 11:04:23 AM
addicted said:
I HOPE EVERYONE READS THIS: I am addicted to marijuana. I want to stop smoking and I can't. (I have admittedly not tried treatment, yet, but if you need treatment to stop something...) I wish I was one of the smokers who could smoke occasionally and not develop a dependency. I am certainly dependent, though.
Posted 03/07/2010 at 06:34:28 AM
Steve Elliott ~alapoet~ replied to addicted:
You, sir, are either a liar or a loser.
My sympathies in either case.
Posted 03/07/2010 at 07:17:59 PM
Ego replied to Steve Elliott ~alapoet~:
The greatest part of all of your posts is that you show how narrow-minded so many stoners are. You CLEARLY lack any real form of education and therefore lack the ability to reason through simple things and see that it's possible that your viewpoint ISN'T the only one. I feel truly blessed to know that I could not be considered one of your peers.
Posted 03/08/2010 at 11:30:08 AM
Steve Elliott ~alapoet~ replied to Ego:
Ego, my posts don't "show how narrow-minded so many stoners are."
My posts only show how narrow minded *I* am.
I'm the only one like this. All the rest of the stoners are nice.
Posted 03/08/2010 at 09:42:10 PM
Jayelle Farmer replied to addicted:
If you have not tried treatment yet, then how can you say that you have tried?
Getting treatment IS trying.
Yes, you are a fake, a troller, whatever.
Posted 05/24/2010 at 10:50:41 AM
Bernard said:
"What Shaw didn't mention -- and I'm sure it was just an "oversight," umm hmm -- was that nearly all those people in rehab programs "working so hard" to quit marijuana were forced into those programs under threat of being thrown in jail."
When you say that, you are fucking up your own argument: "Unfortunately, UW then puts its reputation as a center of higher learning in serious danger by absurdly claiming that "between one-third and one-half of those are dependent."
I'm a student at the university. I've seen the adds on The Stranger. It sounds like bullshit to me, but it also maybe, as people pointed out, that one help some stoners need to get out of the hole. While we know there are a lot of genial people smoking pot (go Rick Steves, who btw graduated from UW and later taught classes at the school), there are also some less than bright people who do get sucked in to the mentality "ah it feels good then i'll do it." Reminds me of good'ol G.W. Bush to me.
For the comments, people, let's be nice. There are a lot of different opinions out there, no need to get personal. As for the text, may I suggest you to put down j while writing something? Texts tend to be more coherent sober. Maybe the UW research team can help you!
Posted 03/08/2010 at 01:58:57 PM
mp said:
awww they didnt accept me and i dont know why??
I think its because im moving out of state soon ! But fuck I wanted to do it sooooooooooooo bad! it sounded so awesome :(
Im gonna call them again and see what I can do
Posted 03/12/2010 at 03:15:32 PM
Anonymous said:
legallise marijuana its good 4 relieving stress and back pain........
Posted 04/30/2010 at 04:35:53 AM
Jayelle Farmer said:
Sorry I'm late up on this one, Steve, March 3rd I was down on the Red Sea in Egypt.
OK ... this is the University of Washington, right? Well shame on them. If they are trying to buy students in this way, most of whom probably support the campaign for legalization then this is a case of dirty politics, so let's call it for what it is - even 10 year olds know that marijuana is not addictive, never mind a national university.
Coming from a big, prestige university who ought to know better, the content of this UoW post reiterates to me yet again that the powers that be will go to any length they can to keep cannabis and hemp illegal.
They prove in this post that they will use national universities to try and propagate the lie that marijuana is addictive. By doing so, they commit the huge crime of lying to our youth through their lies and misinformation. Because cannabis is illegal, they think they can get away with it.
America calls this their "War on Drugs." The US government have called their relentless persecution of cannabis by name. When cannabis is legalised, I will be campaigning for charges of war crimes against all of these establishments who knowingly propagate lies to mislead our youth. I am currently making a database of known cases. Please add to it if you can. I keep multiple copies of this database in multiple locations, so that it cannot be destroyed.
Bottom Line on this UoW post: This propaganda on the part of UoW is aimed against Seattle Hempfest and any another campaign or ballot initiatives in the State of Washington.
How to respond, guys? Bring on the unicorns!
We can't, because our unicorns are currently invisible. They are sitting in prison cells in Seattle (Marc Emery) and other places. The authorities will bust anyone, for sure, but they will continue to particularly target any and every major cannabis campaigner activist, charge them with cannabis "offences" and send them to the slammer for a long time to get them off the streets, so that they cannot continue as leaders of the pro-legislate campaign. The DEA statement against Marc Emery proves this point. http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/articles/4639.html
I figured this out back in 1977 when I stopped using cannabis so that I could campaign more effectively. They will have to figure out something else if they want to make me into a unicorn. I truly believe that the campaign needs more non-cannabis users to appeal to "middle America" on the issue of civil rights - the right to choose whether or not to use cannabis - it is mainstream society that needs to be educated about cannabis, because they form the bulk of the people who get out and vote - stoners and left wingers need no converting about cannabis, but a lot of them DO need converting about the importance of voting.
This whole damned situation is going to change. Maybe not so soon, but it is going to change. Go with the flow, guys, support Marc Emery. He has the credentials that inspire trust from the whole worldwide cannabis community. Marc is the one who is going to lead the campaign to legalize cannabis worldwide. And this time - we are going to WIN.
In the meantime, we, as campaigners need to respond to this UoW deceit. I appeal to every cannabis campaigner to up-the-ante and step on the gas on the campaign in Washington State. Please support Seattle Hempfest and all other initiatives in Washington.
This has to be our political strategy for legalization - identify key areas, move in and conquer. The authorities have chosen to target Washington State - so we, as campaigners, MUST respond also and choose it too.
Yes, it's the whole damn world, but it's a case of how we eat an elephant - one bite at a time.
Jayelle Farmer
Founder, Coordinator & Strategy Committee
Legalise Cannabis International
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=360600757801
Posted 05/24/2010 at 08:34:58 AM




