Just legalize the herb, and let's stop wasting time and money passing all these restrictive laws. Even I-502 is riddled with problems-like restricting the amount that can be purchased to one ounce at a time, etc. The goddamn pharmaceutic industry spits out far more dangerous drugs with much worse and potentially fatal side effects, and yet this herb is so stigmatized--that which has been around for millenia, with ayurvedic, spiritual, and creativity-enhancing properties. The best law, is no law. Sure, sell weed in the grocery store, I wouldn't mind that. But let the private growers continue to do what they do best, and stop restricting our freedom.
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This guy has no point and is just ignorant. The only thing remotely harmful about cannabis is smoking it. Wouldn't be surprising to find out this puke is invested or involved in treatment centers and wants to force pot smokers into them.
That's EXACTLY why he's involved. Look at the budgeting for his studies in the initiative. This guy LIVES off government grants that he uses to try to show how addictive marijuana is. He really needs to get a real job and quit pandering for public funds.
Dr. Roffman: Grab a squeegie...do SOMETHING besides preaching reefer madness at the same time you're pushing for "legalization". Just a heads-up, Doc.....the money's not headed your way this time.
Just follow the money and you'll find Dr. Roffman....with his greedy hand out.
Do you think that the anti-marijuana position of Dr. Roffman has now been changed because he stands to get millions in state tax money for his own research from this initiative.....so he can prove how "dangerous" and "addictive" cannabis really is?
Inquiring minds would like to know.
Steve SarichNo On I-502
That certainly might explain some supporters' reasons, but might not be the basic purpose of the initiative. Would surely like to get some insight into THAT. Why'd anyone come up with the wording of the thing, and pursue it enough to get it on a ballot somewhere?
Interesting - thanks all for the comments [have suspended my English-nazi membership for the evening]. My ideas probably do not have any weight here or in the political arena of the State, but I'll put a couple out there anyway.From my decades of work as a neurologist, I've determined that marijuana is not addictive. This is using my own definition of addiction derived from my evolving knowledge of the anatomy and physiology of the brain. But, hey, there are people that use the same word for the heroin-user relationship and the gambler/shopper/videogamer-activity relationship with absolutely no concern for the biology of which they speak.
I have become increasingly skeptical and suspicious of American politics since my days in the late 60's at college. And have discovered a mechanism by which I can, at the very least, start to evaluate laws, rules, regulations, and all the other constraints our society places on individual behavior. Just ask why - why the legislation exists? OK. I've tried to ask that question of I-502. And, to my surprise, I can't find any aspect of it that represents a move towards legalization. So, then, why has it been written? I don't know but I wonder if it's something along the line of: "Of course, you can get an abortion (we haven't been able to get the Supreme Court to curtail that right, yet) - but you'll have to undergo rape first." "Of course you can have marijuana - but you'll have to agree to the following restrictions..."
Think I'll be voting "No" if I get a chance. And won't feel guilty that I've held the legalization movement back at all. This is all politics and in that sphere if it isn't clearly in your favor it is absolutely to your detriment.
Dwst writes-
"I can't find any aspect of it that represents a move towards legalization" I agree.
Your a nut or an extremist if you vote No on I-502. God created all things and look at how many bars are serving past the .08 limit.The police force could collect billions from all the law breaking citizens but it doesn't happen. Those that believe passing I-502 will lead to more arrest need to look at marijuana evil step mother.
One more comment here to clear up my position and why its etched in stone.
legalize
Pronunciation: /ˈlēgəˌlīz/ verb [with object] make (something that was previously illegal) permissible by law: a measure legalizing gambling in Deadwood.
Derivatives legalizationPronunciation: /-ˌlēgələˈzāSHən, -ˌlīˈzā-/ noun
[from Oxford Dictionary]
If marijuana/cannabis was legalized according to its definition by the Oxford Dictionary, home growing would not be illegal, restricted or prohibited, and any personal possession of any amount would not be against the law.
Maybe some legal dictionary has a different definition, but the one given by the Oxford Dictionary is the definition recognized by most literate people.
There is nothing in I-502 that gives real and true legalization. Its a bait and switch trap and a continuation of Prohibition. Semantic gymnastics don't befuddle those who know the truth.
No on I-502
All or nothing? Give me a brake!! The people on the other side know people smoke so they are working to give us a brake while still feeling like there is some safety measures in place. Whether you agree with this or not, this is not some conspiracy to take over the pot world - that obviously can't happen.
Be workable man!!
I am applying the brake to break the attempt to pass a bad law that isn't legalization but continued prohibition. And you can bet there are those lined up to be the exclusive growers for the state. And I wouldn't doubt that the writers and promoters of this bad law have their hooks in. No way Jose on I-502.
There are no victims of marijuana - only victims of marijuana law.
This proposed law is a bullsh*t prohibitionist move to keep their thumbs on us while throwing us a bone to shut us up.
Civil Disobedience is what is needed on a mass scale. Spark one up at the polling stations this November...
It saddens me that marijuana users,medical and recreational do not believe in the power of marijuana to "fix" any bad laws that it takes to gain legalization.
Apparently the lady was able to convince nearly everyone that has used her that it is wonderful,benign and necessary in their life,,,but it will not do the same to the unaware,,,how sad.
"For the record, I am currently neutral on I-502." Oh really Steve? I despise the No on 502 folks, but at least they take a stand.
This comment: "She also claimed that the initiative would protect medical cannabis patients from arrest (true if they possess only one ounce purchased from a state-licensed pot shop)" is inaccurate. Possession of one ounce or less will be legal, period. Where it comes from is irrelevant.
sorry russ but not true. the pot must come from state licensed shop. much confusion will ensue.
I'm not sure why any sensible person would take such offense over someone saying such a thing. I enjoy marijuana and am responsible with it, but that doesn't mean it is not a drug and that people abused it and are not responsible with it. Alcohol is responsibly used but also abused and consequently does hurt families. To not acknowledge this, one must be blinded by their own delusion.
Those arguing against 502 seem to want the whole world to see it from their perspective - that's just not going to happen. I am thankful to those who see that prohibition doesn't work, even if they don't smoke it, they are trying to have a new approach. Allowing those who use it not be criminals and those who find themselves in addictions can find themselves in a public health situation rather than a jail.
Yes - 502
First, cannabis is not addictive in the same manner as heroin. People are addicted to fast food, we are the most obese country in the world. I don't see McDonald's and other fast food joints being shut down because they are a leading cause.
Second, marijuana/cannabis is not a drug. Its botanically an herb and go check your kitchen for other herbs you may or may not use on a daily basis for one reason or another. Check the ingredients of your lotions and other beauty and skin care products. Marijuana/Cannabis infused products perform the same as some of these and others. It belongs on the same shelve.
Last, cannabis/marijuana doesn't destroy families, government's bad laws against it ruin people's lives creating criminal records where none belong because there is really no victim that's been irreparably harmed. Inventing new offenses that aren't based on sound science and reality shows government is out of control and is acting as an abusive parent who would be arrested if it was an individual.
I-502 only continues the worst of the cannabis laws continuing to stigmatize and criminalize in a different direction. Its another, the more it changes, the more it stays the same.
No on I-502
Have you ever known anyone who just lives for the next bag a weed they can score? (I like weed to be clear!) How about someone with kids who doesn't care about them because all they care about is getting high and feeling good for themselves? I sure have! Too many!! Ive worked at a juvenile center/program and saw too many parents not caring a hoot for their child's growth because they were too busy getting high. (I like getting high but not at the expense of others) While it's not the pot's fault, it is a part of the equation.
Of course I don't blame the herb! but there are issues that are a concern for society. Come on, be honest! I love the herb, but I don't expect society to just treat it like oregano.
I guess those who don't acknowledge the tension here either are blind or a part of the problem that others are concerned about.
502 is not perfect, but it is a good give and take. Give and take peeps, not just take!
My point is not that there is something wrong with the herb, my point is that it is viewed by society in similar fashion as some of the other substances listed in response to my comments. And if we are honest, people with deeper rooted issues that cause them to neglect their families can in fact misuse marijuana. Thus people are never going to view it like oregano as some think it should be.
I also agree with personal freedom, but the point is not effecting others in a negative way.
502 helps those who want to smoke without fear of the law, and also takes steps for those with deeper issues that struggle with substance abuse.
I knew a woman who couldn't take care of her kids from all the chemotherapy and cancer drugs she was taking. JUST SAY NO TO CHEMOTHERAPY and cancer drugs!!!! :D
its not the next bag of weed my friend.
I have known alot of meth heads and herione addicts that have the issues you are talking about... my sister being one of them.
I'm rasing her kids because she does meth and doesnt give a crap about anything but her next high.
I been a daily partaker of the wonder herb for over 30 years and raised my niece and nephew so
Sorry, touching, but I don't buy it. You make it seem like its epidemic. A parent who neglects their kids for a bag of weed has issues far beyond the bag of weed and really doesn't enter into the equation. That's more a scenario for alcohol, meth, crack, powder cocaine and the opiates. No bearing on legalization of a plant that is far less harmful then you're making it out to be.
I believe adults have the right to do what ever they want to themselves and their bodies and what they put into it or on it. Its none of my business personally and if it doesn't directly effect me or society in a negative or criminal manner.
No on I-502
I agree with everything you have said except Colorado has some competing language for the WORST language in the country--A64 in Colorado.
It's been marketed for a year now to "legalize like alcohol and END PROHIBITION", when they leave all arrestable offenses on the books. In CO currently 2 ounces is a petty offense ticket-able up to $100--which is better than most states.....A64 backpedals to decrim 1 ounce and calls it an end to prohibition. The language was written by Steve Fox in DC and it's proponents are Mason Tvert--SAFER CO and Brian Vicente Sensible CO. VOTE NO on A64 CO and 1-502 WA!
How does one "abuse" a harmless plant? There's a few tuplips I want to kick the shit out of!
Economic failure- ingredients -start with dollars for propagranda,add brain washing, throw in blind justice and get prohibition. Mission accomplished - regulated freedom. Pressure the people in congress law makers .Marijuana sechedule one really?
French Fries on pizza and you would have leftovers if you didn't smoke marijuana...OK, it's a lame advertisement by idiot prohibitionists.
The implication of the "ad"is that marijuana increases your appetite, exactly one of the benefits that marijuana has to treat those whose bodies have been destroyed by the allopathic medical/pharmaceutical cartel's poison and toxic drugs.
No greater harm then this dumb ass spreading lies and innuendo. Another reason to vote No on I-502. Why in the hell are non users setting policy they have no experience with. More proof that government is run by idiots and yes people all dysfunctional.
Rodger Goodman, whose running for congress would do well coming out against I-502.
1. He is not running for congress. He withdrew on April 12. He is running for state rep again2. Goodman endorsed I-502 on May 23. Just because you're wrong I'm sure no one would accuse YOU of being a dumb ass or an idiot
Glad I could help.
Representaive Roger Goodman and Representative Mary Lou Dickerson had avery good bill, HB 1550, to legalize cannabis that did not include thearbitrary and unscientific inclusion of the 5 ng limit. It did notcontain many of the problems 502 does, and it was reasonable enough togarner support from law enforcement. Remember when former prosecutorJohn McKay and Jodie Emery both testified for it in 2011? HB 1550 didnot get pushed during the 2012 legislative session, although it wasstill alive, because the director of New Approach Washington asked forthem to support I-502 rather than moving forward with their bill. Ihave spoken with Roger Goodman about I-502, and he was withholding hisofficial endorsement, and I'm sure it was because of the arbitrary andunscientific inclusion of the 5 ng limit, so I'm sad to see you sayhe's come out endorsing I-502. I am glad he decided not to continue hisrun for Congress, because if I-502 does pass, we're going to needsomeone like him, who previously removed a similar clause from a formerpiece of legislation when he pointed out that it is wrong to include anarbitrary limit that cannot be based in current science. Should I-502fail, the finger should be pointed at the Director of New ApproachWashington, for failing to understand the pulse of the community, andfor pushing an agenda on our state that is not welcome.
Sensible Washington has written excellent initiatives that would helpthe citizens of our state, not create more penalties as I-502 does. Alarge donor of NAW's, the owner of the Seattle Times, also endorsedSensible Washington's initiatives. It is not the end of the world ifI-502 fails. We will all work together, not oppose each other, towardsa more sane cannabis policy. Much love!
Thanks for putting Goodman's position out in a respectful manner. Not everyone has their fingers on the politicians and their agents pulse in this election season of flip-floppers. It shows those promoting I-502 are attempting to manipulate the debate and possibly misstate the opinions and positions of those who have come out differently not long ago. Who knows what depths the state and supporters of I-502 will go to continuing mythology and non-scientific data and the truth be damned.
I liked your comment but my likes are showing as guest except from the dashboard. Problems with my disqus account that they are working on.
I'm not embarrassed.I was unaware since I live in the hinterlands of the state and don't listen to local news. I have nothing to discuss with you and I-502 is the worst legalization bill ever written.
Your reply shows your ignorance and willingness to malign anyone who doesn't support that continued criminalization of cannabis users.
Rational discoursed with you people? You have got to be kidding me because there is nothing rational in your initiative. Adults don't need nannies like you supporters and state lackeys who are pushing this disaster.
Get back to me after we hand your asses to you.
I'm sorry that you have taken offense at my correcting your glaring inaccuracies of fact. I can imagine your embarrassment.
While I am always eager to engage in a civil discussion, unfortunately this is not the venue to have it--as your response so obligingly attests. I challenge you to respond to me in other internet forums, ones that do not tolerate bullying and abusive name calling in lieu of rational discourse. This would be a risk for you --leaving the safety of what is a virtual circle-jerk for 502 opponents.
Semper Fudge
yea and if thats written by the sensible washington group it will probably fail..again. nothing against those guys they work hard. but they just cant seem to get their ideas onto the ballot
that is not true. Sensible Washington has been discredited all along by the opinion of the ACLU's drug policy project's director, who is now the Director of New Approach Washington, as seen in the following message that I was sent from a local progressive activist website ( Fuse Washington ) in a initiative voter's guide:
We'll let you decide
I-1068: This one is a little tricky. I-1068 initiativewould remove state civil and criminal penalties for adult use anddistribution of marijuana. While we agree with the underlyingprinciple, our friends at the ACLU have raised legitimate questionsabout how the initiative is written and the lack of a regulatory scheme.
Sativex isnt available in all european countrys, especially not for nausea.DOnt always brag about the negative aspects. every step into the legal direction is good.The wrongs can be made right afterwards.It always seems to me that many prefer the status quo to any change that is moderate.How many nanograms are allowed right now? more than 5?
The current DUI law is based on actual impairment, not an artificially established number of nanograms.
To get a DUI conviction in court, the cops must currently prove a driver was actually impaired.
That would all change with I-502: 5 ng/ml would be considered per se "proof" of "impairment."
So we should vote yes!!! The 1st person that gets arrested then we can raise money to support their fight to challenge the law. Then the judge will rule to create a study to find out a real number.
I know you guys don't support my idea but we have to get the ball rolling on legalization. It will be two years before we get another chance to make it legal. How many pot smokers will get arrested in those two years vs how many will get arrested for a DUI.
Do you volunteer to be the guy that has to sit in jail/prison for however many years it takes to change the law?
Hmhhm, so your argument Mr. Dwarf is that many will get possesion charges if we don't pass 502, when if we pass the law less will get DUI charges, well this is seriously flawed my friend, for a DUI takes away license, gives jail, or even prison time, huge fines, not being able to leave your country, takes away right to vote, and takes away right to own a fire arm! Oh and possesion up to 90 days in jail and 250 - 500 $ fine. Oh and after your third DUI? It's 25 to life.
"It will be two years before we get another chance to make it legal"
It's already LEGAL to people who NEED IT MOST. In addition, it will remain illegal under Fedral law.
No on I-502
lets see now, we have run out of medical reasons for ADULTS not to smoke/vape/eat MMJ, more ADULTS are now growing more than ever, Sativex is available in Europe for ADULTS who have nausea.
I am tired of hearing "lets do it for the kids" when we are actually talking away something the ADULTS voted for themselves, and quit blaming your kids drug use on anybody/thing other than YOUR KID.so, if your kid got a gun and killed somebody in cold blood, it is not his/her fault, its the guns fault...see how silly that sounds, you sound just like that.
this is why we should vote yes on this! Over 40 Years of Drug War: Just 10 attempts in 6 states to legalize marijuana
http://tinyurl.com/cdhvm25 Read this. Sometimes Maybe next year isn't as close as you think


