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| Robert Batsch: Another victim of the war on pot |
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| Pamela Batsch |
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Ha Ha!
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Why don't you stop being so ignorant!
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With regard to the tragedy in question: I too would like more answers than this article provides. There is very likely more to it than we are being told. While I empathize for the whole family, my first concern is for the child. Apparently he's a juvenile who's been so propagandized that he believed he was 'helping' his parents by telling about the grow op. Imagine the crushing guilt he now feels, having realized that he wasn't helping at all. Imagine having to live with that for the rest of your life. In the end, the War on Drugs is really a War on People. As to the efficacy of the Herb: I have a brain malformation. With it comes seizures, massive headaches, and daily nausea, etc... My weight had dropped to 125 lbs. and my Neurologist was worried. Due to odd circumstances, I didn't see him for a few months. But at my next appt. he was amazed to find that I'd gained 15 lbs. and my seizures were less acutely painful. When he asked how I had accomplished it, he was extremely impressed that Herb had been so effective. I've even been able to decrease the amount of vicodin I have to take. So, for those who ride their high horse about the perils of pot, and the necessity of a war on drugs, please remember that for a vast number of people, the Herb is a priceless medicine, and just by using it we run the risk of losing benefits or being imprisoned. Walk a mile in our shoes before you judge us.
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sounds like 1984 to me...
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Very sorry if I affended you or anyone else.. was not my intention..Just sick and tired of any luxury or needful things in america cost an arm and a leg or they make it illeagle..I am very glad that your country is better then ours now..maybe I should consider moving..
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Actually, cannabis was in use for thousands of years, arguably all the way back to 12,000 years ago. It had only become "statutorily illegal" less than a century ago...and look what that has done to the world? Now we have drug cartels, "illicit drug markets" in every city, town and villiage on the planet, and not a single politician wise or brave enough to look at the facts for what they are and simply END THE PROPAGANDA. Prohibition is the problem. REPEAL of the errant statutes is the cure. Until we recognize the TRUE problem, we'll never see a solution come about, and until we act as a united people, we won't see those solutions implemented to benefit the people, and the environment. Remember folks, industrial hemp is still "illegal" as well...and we all know that there are no "psychoactive drugs" in hemp! Leaarn the truth, and then educate others, and eventually the INFORMED will reach a critical mass which can simply no longer be ignored.
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If only you had known that the oil extract of cannabis could have been a CURE for your cancer which may well have allowed you to skip "chemotherapy" entirely at the time... http://PhoenixTears.ca http://PhoenixTearsMovie.com Keep those links on hand for the next time one of your friends or relatives developers cancer. Let's face it, with all the chemicals added to the food and water, and pumped into the air, and the expectation that 50% of ALL PEOPLE alive today will eventually succumb to one form of cancer or another...it's best to be prepared in advance.
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I have read all the comments on this.. and i just don't understand how so many can be so uncompasionate toward someone whom have killed theirself.. what if it was you family member whom went through this.. Educational tools are in fact an important key in this issue.. and most states whom do not have the laws on the medical us of cannabis has caused so much damage to those whom benifit from the use of cannabis.. and the son.. oh my .. how terrible for him to loose his father over what he had done.. if he was educated on the issue.. and had known that his fathers use was for peronal benifts and for others in this case.. i am sure he is feeling the pain from this.. it doesn't matter if you supprt the use of cannabis.. but it is important to give those whom do benifit from the use of it.. respect and tolerance and acceptance .. but teaching our students from Dare.. to believe that cannabis is dangerious.. it really is not... only if you mix it with other chemicals, it is the other chemicals that are the cause of doom to the body and the person.. i have utized cannbis for over 10 years now for my MS.. and it has helped me allot.. and i for one thing do not believe .... only stupitiy on the bias of their beliefs.. of the olden stima that was put onto this plant.. if you like to learn more.. check out the history.. we onced used cannabis.. and it was once legal.. for many many years on end.. now we still are utalizing the plant and many have for many years on end.. so tell me something.. why would a family member kill himself over something that he knows helps him.. why.. medical reasons.. 55..is a very hard age.. and having an uneducated son turn him in.. is something that this young man has to live with , for the rest of his life.. so what ever your opions are.. on this issue.. ask yourself .. what if this happen to you.. what would you have done? our children and others outside of the cannbis movement and those whom support the use of cannabis.. need to provide educational tools .. but until the state comes to terms with the benifts and the laws of other states that do have laws concerning this issue. more people will be facing the trials and tribulations due to the use of cannabis.. and believe it our not.. many states whom do nto have this law.. do have many citizens whom do utalize it more so now than any other street drugs that do more harm.. but again.. its how you look at it.. and its how you preceve it to be.. lets be compassonate toward this family.. and i am sorry for his and his mothers loss.. peace of a toke to you .. good day..
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The dude overreacted. Fuck the drugwar.
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REALLY! How many times does it have to happen to someone else before it happens to someone you love?!? People are dying for a peaceful, healing, totally whole plant! It's so insane. This is the reason so many people are afraid to speak up and take a stand- OUR CHILDREN. The first thing "The Man" wants to do is take our children.
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o shut up
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If you feel so righteous why are you posting as "Anonymous" ? Mark Twain said :"It ain't what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you know for sure, that just ain't so." Open your mind, anonymous, and do a little reading... - start with Granny's list, check out Stumbleupon halcyonmeadows...
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http://ushempmuseum.com/Prohibiton.html HOW THE GOVERNMENT & THE VERY WEALTHY CONSPIRED TO MAKE THE CURE ILLEGAL When greed enters mans' heart it eats away all humanity.
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wow, I am speechless.I do not know what this world is comming to. Can we do something more w/ our lives than sit around talking about other peoples problems that we can do absolutely nothing about ? Why don't we work on things that we can change like ourselves.Almost every post I read was a waste of time by the people that wrote them and by me for reading them. If we took half of that time and put it to good use maybe then we will be able to make a difference in this world we all live in together.
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Your comment about Russia is completely unfounded. At least Russia isn't engaging in an artificial drug war like the U.S. Stop using my country's name as a synonym for the lack of freedom. It's easier to score some weed and circumvent any restrictions in Russia than it is in the U.S.A. We may not have all the liberties America has, but generally we voted on whatever restrictions we have. Stop hating on my motherland because we have different priorities. We're not the U.S.S.R. anymore, we're a democracy... just because our people vote differently than yours doesn't negate our democratic process.
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scools will brainwash students to rat out parents.tell them they are helping their parents quit cannabis and that his parents had a drug problem or some crap.even our schools follow the flawed drug war rules. fire the DEA and stop funding the war on citizens or as cops call it war on drugs. there is no more freedom in america,its been usurped by the drug war.
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You can not even spell so why should we take advice from you? Educate yourself before you jump into an argument. Ignorance is the largest problem we face in this war on drugs! Cannibas has been proven to cure. I hate to see how all of you ignorant self centered people do not suffer from Cancer, Glaucoma, MS, Aids, Chronic Pain and or other debilitating illness and have to rely on people such as yourself for compassion or care.
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I am so happy to finally read an educated well articulated and well thought out response to this ludicrous statement. All of the money spent on the war on drugs would be far better spent on education. I am tired of seeing marijuana lumped in with other drugs. Marijuana is an herb it is not a processed drug. It is natural and it works. We need to stop prohibition and ignorance.
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What a sad story to start the day. This should not be happening in America. First of all schools are poisoning the minds of our youth. Marijuana needs to be seen for the medication it is and the value it has in the medical arena. Just looking at the pictures of these two you can almost see the pain in their bodies. I bet there was a valid need for the medication. The child and all children need to be taught about prohibition and the lies, hurt and destruction it leaves in its path. If one quarter of the money spent on the war on drugs or to be specific the money spent on prosecution and investigation of marijuana crimes was spent on education and research this would not be happening. Our government purposely keeps us ignorant to the benefits of Hemp and Cannabis. I would love to see the Emperor Wears no Clothes by Jack Herer, The Great Book of Hemp by Rowan Robinson, Cannabis and Cannabinoids by Franjo Grotenhermen MD and Ethan Russo MD, Marijuana is Safer, So why are people drinking? by Steve Fox, Paul Armentano & Mason Tvert, Drug War Facts by Common Sense For Drug Policy and Douglas A. McVay in our colleges and school systems. We need to seriously work to deschedule Cannabis. The only way this is going to happen is for education about Hemp and Cannabis to be made a priority. We all need to take this task on all of our shoulders. We need to get more people voting. The largest demographic of voters we are missing are the young and the old. We need to get our young adults inspired and impassioned with these causes and get them voting. We need to educate the seniors that Cannabis would be most beneficial for as to the value of Cannabis and how safe it truly is. They have had fear instilled in them. They have been surrounded with ignorance and propaganda like Reefer Madness and all of those leading false commercials and news programs regarding Hemp and Marijuana. It is time to kill the stigma and expose the lies that have been brain washed into them for years. This is the only medication that can get the frail and too thin elder and terminal patients to eat and keep down food without the side effects and symptoms caused by prescription nausea medications. With so many people in America suffering from Chronic pain Cannabis would be the wise option. Opiates and Pain medications cause constipation, liver disease, kidney damage, addiction, depression, lack of mobility and many other problems. This is not good for anybody. Cannabis is a natural medication that can be smoked, eaten, drank, vaporized etc. It is natural and grows rapidly. It is very inexpensive to grow, and it helps the environment while growing. This is prohibition and this is wrong. Cannabis has been proven to slow and stop the growth in some cancers and has been proven to work for pain and many other ailments. More money needs to be spent on research. Stand up and be heard now.
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What a sad story to start the day. This should not be happening in America. First of all schools are poisoning the minds of our youth. Marijuana needs to be seen for the medication it is and the value it has in the medical arena. Just looking at the pictures of these two you can almost see the pain in their bodies. I bet there was a valid need for the medication. The child and all children need to be taught about prohibition and the lies, hurt and destruction it leaves in its path. If one quarter of the money spent on the war on drugs or to be specific the money spent on prosecution and investigation of marijuana crimes was spent on education and research this would not be happening. Our government purposely keeps us ignorant to the benefits of Hemp and Cannabis. I would love to see the Emperor Wears no Clothes by Jack Herer, The Great Book of Hemp by Rowan Robinson, Cannabis and Cannabinoids by Franjo Grotenhermen MD and Ethan Russo MD, Marijuana is Safer, So why are people drinking? by Steve Fox, Paul Armentano & Mason Tvert, Drug War Facts by Common Sense For Drug Policy and Douglas A. McVay in our colleges and school systems. We need to seriously work to deschedule Cannabis. The only way this is going to happen is for education about Hemp and Cannabis to be made a priority. We all need to take this task on all of our shoulders. We need to get more people voting. The largest demographic of voters we are missing are the young and the old. We need to get our young adults inspired and impassioned with these causes and get them voting. We need to educate the seniors that Cannabis would be most beneficial for as to the value of Cannabis and how safe it truly is. They have had fear instilled in them. They have been surrounded with ignorance and propaganda like Reefer Madness and all of those leading false commercials and news programs regarding Hemp and Marijuana. It is time to kill the stigma and expose the lies that have been brain washed into them for years. This is the only medication that can get the frail and too thin elder and terminal patients to eat and keep down food without the side effects and symptoms caused by prescription nausea medications. With so many people in America suffering from Chronic pain Cannabis would be the wise option. Opiates and Pain medications cause constipation, liver disease, kidney damage, addiction, depression, lack of mobility and many other problems. This is not good for anybody. Cannabis is a natural medication that can be smoked, eaten, drank, vaporized etc. It is natural and grows rapidly. It is very inexpensive to grow, and it helps the environment while growing. This is prohibition and this is wrong. Cannabis has been proven to slow and stop the growth in some cancers and has been proven to work for pain and many other ailments. More money needs to be spent on research. Stand up and be heard now.
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I am a cancer survivor!!!! If not for pot I would have given up during chemo... It kept the nausia down so I could eat... It gave me the appetite so I could eat..It relaxes my muscles when I am in pain..Any prescriptions they gave me for pain had side effects that were worse then the pain..I had NO side effects from the pot..I quit taking the volumes that were given to me for pain,,because they made me unfunctionable.. POT does not.. GOD put pot on this earth for us.. Not prescriptions..The government cannot controll it that is why it is illeagle. In the old days they let you pay your property taxes with hemp..you can make clothes and paper and all kinds of stuff.. Be prepared for our country to be just like russia soon.. No more freedoms in America.. government is gonna control everything in our lives before long..our veterans faught for nothing.. Our soldiers are dieing for nothing..GOOD OL USA..NOT
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sorry duder but your facts are all wrong. first, the only similarity between meth and cocaine is that they are both stimulants. otherwise, they are entirely different chemical compounds (which many others have already informed you.) second, cocaine is not and never has been prohibited. It is a schedule II drug, just like meth. http://www.justice.gov/dea/agency/penalties.htm
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I hope that dumb kid is happy with himself!
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It's absolutely ridiculous that people are still dying because of the prohibition of a PLANT which can not cause death in any known form, extract or concentration.
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well sure but you cant blame the kids. they dont know any better. how old was the kid?
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HEY DUDE, ^^^^^^ ET A DICK. GOD BIBLE PUSHER. YOU'RE THE WORST KIND.
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Actually, being a Canuk myself, we do have the right to bear arms but its a lengthy process and there are intense background checks done on you. I have my FAC which is my permit to possess and shoot a gun, but its not like Ameriduh where you can go to a liquor store and buy a gun in there and ammo. its whats wrong with your country. that and the fact your high school education system is equal to our grade 9. Get educated, get smart, then get real and come talk to me.
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really guys, how does cocaine and opiates become part of this convo about WEED. this is ridiculous, I hope all the stoners at the kids school beat the shit out of em. I can only imagine though the remorse he might have now that hes responsible for his Old Man killing himself.
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If the people don't stand up and act against prohibition, guess what? It's going to keep right on rolling over people's lives forever. Personally, I think that it's time that cannabis/hemp prohibition was repealed, and we got hemp back into ALL MARKETS. Of course, hemp doesn't fit with "globalization", as it means that every country can have a more stable and self-reliant food supply, fuel supply (both gasoline and diesel can be replaced 100% with HEMP ethanol and HEMP seed oil) and many currently available TOXIC CHEMICALS branded "pharmaceutical medicines" could be replaced by medicinal strains of cannabis. It's time to end the war against ourselves. It's time to Overgrow The World!
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This has got to stop. The Feds are murderers.
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iSN'T THAT WHAT THE nnAZI'S HAD THE KIDS DO RAT ON THEIR PARENTS? tHIS COUNTRY HAS GONE TO HELL IN A HANDBAG. gOING TO USE THIS STORY IN MY NEW BOOK i AM WRITING ABOUT ENDING PROHIBITION. Sorry about shouting, stroke makes my 1 hand pecking unstable until I medicate.
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Yet asnother assnine remark, Perhaps he used it as a medicine and didn't want to ro in prison w/o medication! I am going to drop my Christian values here for a second and say What are you going to do if you get aids or cancer and pot is the only thing that will offer relief? I know you will man it out! Right. Dumbass!!!!
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So your brilliant solution, is for everyone that smokes reefer quit or snorts a line quits and problem solved. Gee that was the same solution for alcohol prohibition. Didn't make any sense then either. I bet you don't understand everything in inteligent conversations your jaw drops a little?Stay in your trailer sand let the rest of us work on this. I am kidding duh
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LEGALIZE IT! ... A MAN CAN'T PLANT A SEED? ... IF THAT'S NOT COMMUNIST I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS! ... AMERICA, A GREAT IDEA, BUT POOR EXECUTION>
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What have we become in America. This drugs is such an awful side of the face of our society. It is really disappointing that young lives are being affected, lives are taken away, and relationships are ruined by drugs. Oh Good Lord!
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The law is WRONG, this drug war is making ordinary good people into criminals. I want freedom! This is America home of the free, not the drugfree.
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I can use drugs if i freaking want to. Marijuana is good for me and makes me happy and im not about to let the lying government tell me what to do. If they want to arrest me and shit than let them i'll be even more pissed off and hate the government more.
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I choose freedom to make my own decisions, rather than to abide by broken, fascist policies.
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I find it amazing how the anti-pot organizations, law enforcement, teachers, and government twist logic to try to justify their positions that pot is a dangerous drug. And these people wonder why teenagers don't take their message seriously. Teens just aren't that stupid. And when you try to pull stupid logic tricks on teens they resent it and ignore you. If they are going to accuse us of being brain damaged, they sure aren't setting a very good example of what "normal" is supposed to be. Here are a few examples of tortured logic: "90% of drug addicts smoked Marijuana first. Therefore, smoking Marijuana leads to harder drugs." Wow! This is really brilliant. Based on that reasoning, 99% of drug addicts attended church before becoming a drug addict. Therefore going to church leads to harder drugs. What else did over 90% of drug addicts do first? Over 90% of drug addicts smoked a cigarette, most still do. They drank alcohol, most still do. How about watched television, voted for a Democrat, had a pet, had sex, owned a bicycle, chewed gum, participated in sports, celebrated Halloween, had a religious experience, took something that didn't belong to them, voted for a Republican, told a lie, wondered if they might be homosexual, or ate too much white sugar. Using the same reasoning, all these activities must also lead to harder drugs. "There are over 400 chemicals in the marijuana plant." There are over 400 chemicals in every plant. There are over 700 chemicals added to American cigarettes. "When a user begins to feel that he or she needs to take the drug to feel well, that person is said to be dependent or addicted to the drug." I suppose I'm addicted to aspirin. When I get a headache, I need aspirin to feel well. Everything that feels good is addictive and there's a 12 step program out there for every one of them. And if you don't believe it, you're in DENIAL! Since they know that Pot isn't addictive, they try to redefine the word "addiction" and try to make Pot fit the new definition. The fact that the need to twist the definition indicates that they know that Pot doesn't fit the traditional definition of addiction. Drug addiction occurs when the drug affects the body in a way that causes the body to become dependent on the drug and causes a negative reaction when the drug is removed. Marijuana and magic mushrooms are examples of non-addictive drugs. Cocaine, Heroine, Methamphedamine, Alcohol, Tobacco, and Caffeine are examples of addictive drugs. Telling lies about what drugs are addictive is not going to help solve the drug problem.
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Actually, as a Canadian, you DO have the right to bear arms. You should research this kind of thing before you post as if you know what you are talking about.
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So if you and everyone else quit using them there would be no market. No market not sales. No sales not drug lords. Guit using it and ON ONE DIES. Simple!
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Can you back up your statements??? I can show you are wrong. Research suggests that moderate alcohol intake can produce a slight rise in HDL cholesterol (a so-called good cholesterol). But that won't do you much good if you're tossing back margaritas or mixed drinks with fruit juice, which contain carbohydrates. Switch to red wine; it has about a 10th of the carbohydrates of a margarita, and you'll also get antioxidants such as flavonoids that are believed to lower LDL and boost HDL. Given the risks of alcohol, however, the American Heart Association recommends that you limit your daily intake to two glasses for men, or one glass for women.
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Well now the kid can get his rear ramed in a foster home, The people that made him rat are nothing better then child molesters
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Son killed his dad what a pile
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FUCK THAT KID takes a true pussy faggot to rat out his own Dad for doing something as benign as growing marijuana. Its not like his Dad told him to smoke it. I hope the kid learns from what he did. He is partially to blame for his Dads suicide. Oh and have fun at school little faggot. You will never live this down socially
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we should throw you in jail for that one time you wore a hat, or something absurdly not-criminal like that. then you can be the non-victim who should have known better. you're the problem with this world, meek obedient hapless gullible self-enslaving worthless subhuman piece of excrement.
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Thanks for being reasonable. We need more of you. 14 states have made medical marijuana available, because they (1) recognize there is a huge market for it; (2) need the revenue and (maybe, 3) recognize it as a legitimate medicine for pain relief. On that last note, before it was made illegal people did use it medicinally. Much of the history of this drug as illicit originates in the AMA and racism again African-American and Hispanic Americans. And those are facts.
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It makes perfect sense, if he expected to die in prison.
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LMAO! BEAUTY!
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Well, well... another American killed by a gun... suprise, suprise! I'm sorry folks, but up here in Canada, where we all DO NOT hold the right to bear arms, but are given the privilige to do so (that privilige is just as easily given to us, as it is taken away)... I think there must have been something else going on here... I suffer from depression... I know there are good days and bad days.... this would be one of the Dad's bad days... something else is going on here though... maybe Dad was growing for... as someone here put it... a "Drug Lord" rather than for medicinal reasons or what have you... and seeing as how he had to rid all his equipment (costly to replace)and plants he could have very well put himself in serious debt with people who would off him themselves should he not come correct. I'm just sayin'! Mind you, had this gent been allowed to grow, and along with... him all of north america (regulated of course) he may likely not have had to off himself (especially with a .22 cal...he must've shot himself through his eye or nostril... seriously... I took a .22 round to the knee when I was a youngin' ... Nothing more than a fucked up kneecap and nasty scar I still have today, some 20 years later. Just Sayin' ... Guns Are bad and so is prohibition.
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There is a thing called Forensics. You can burn any materials and it still can be traced (with this instance...as good stoners knows...weed leaves resin. It's the stuff we scrape when we are out). He apparently was not thinking clearly around the board. And again he shot himself...so logic would assume that he might have burned the evidence, but either he thought he would still get caught...or something else occurred to have him commit suicide outside of the weed evidence. Or maybe he just thought his life was done. It cold be anything. Question Motives. Question Everything. I'm all CSI up in here! Or maybe I got one of those old Fedoras with the word "Press" stuck in it. :-)
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He dumped the evidence before he was caught. So why would he need to kill himself to "avoid jail"?? Destroying/removing the evidence already satisfied that condition.
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According to reports...he burned it all. They did not mention if there was any paraphernalia in the home.
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I'm do not mean to offend gun owners as I was in ROTC and own a gun myself. I'm like Michael Moore. A gun owner...but with real lady boobs. :-) I'm just going by the chain of events: He burned all of his product and then shot himself. This gives the reader the idea that he did not wish to get caught with a substantial stash and then shot himself to not go to jail. Yes. This could mean a number of things. It really does point to someone who was selling and owned a gun to protect the product he eventually burned. But the bottom line is simple What we are all doing...we are speculating. The story is vague. It probably won't be reported again. It's a shock value article. It makes me sad...and the Question Everything Jounalist in me is doing just that. I want to know more. It will probably not happen. (That is a Journalism 2 second News Cycle rant I will share one day. :0 ) Right now my concern is for the kid. In so many ways. My heart goes out to him.
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"Dude, have you ever shot a .22 rifle?" "Ever shot one ON WEED???" BAM! Genepool slightly cleansed.
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Amphetamines are not synthetic cocaine. Not in any way, shape, or form. You're making shtuff up.
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Well, amphetamines are more of a derivative of ma huang, not cocaine. Although not as potent. ma huang will give you the same high as methamphetamine. I think you meant synthetic topical pain killers like novocaine are synthetic cocaine. Ma Huang is the base for speed, Cocaine the base for coke, Poppies the base for heroin. All quite natural plants.
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So did anybody find the weed?
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Nicely said, Alex. My heart goes out to this child. I hope he finds solice in knowing that a few of us here realize that he thought he was not telling a fib to the police. @Paulson: Dude. Smoke a bowl and chill out. Apparently your stuff is cut with something to be throwing the "F" word about and damning your own to hell. :) PS: You don't have to be in the Latin King, The Crips or the Bloods, the mafia or part of the Cuban Cartel to have a full on underground business. Never once have I bought cannabis from any of the above. That is the former San Francisco Resident in me: People do not shoot themselves over selling pot unless there is something else going on.
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The kid isn't responsible for his dad's death. The war on drugs isn't responsible for his dad's death. The dad is responsible for the dad's death. Quit passing the buck to fit your agenda. The guy killed himself and left his family alone.
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Please, please stop using this kind of crap in an argument.... "The man shot himself with a firearm that apparently was already in the house. The growing seemed a little bit more than "Recreational" to me." For one I take offense to that statement as an avid gun owner. The guy has a .22 rifle. Have you ever shot such a tiny POS? I'm actually surprised it killed the guy. But using that kind of statement (if people can't using reading comprehension) hints that the guy was protecting his stash. Since it could have very well been used for it, it wasn't even mentioned other than that's the gun he killed himself with. I personally have a 12 ga semi-automatic shotgun and a semi-automatic .308 hunting rifle. Does owning these guns have any correlation to smoking pot? Not at all. I use mine for home protection and plus I'm a Vermonter (it's in our hillbilly blood). So, I don't care about the conversation about legalizing pot or if what the kid did was right/wrong. I do have an issue when it's brought up about the gun as if that's a reason the guy has a growing operation...
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"I wonder how many people the drug warlords (and their chain of command) have killed over the years, and will kill over the years, to satisfy the worlds need for recreational drugs." Are you really serious about that? I'll debunk your statement just because it's obviously not logically thought out. First off, I don't care what drug lords you're talking about. On the same basis the US government helped put most of these people in power during our War on Drugs. Remember the mob? Yeah that was created during Prohibition when alcohol was illegal. They killed a ton of people but I'd venture a guess that their "business" was created when the government started cracking down on drugs. Secondly drug lords will kill people due to the volatile and dangerous nature of their profession. However, I don't believe (though I don't have the numbers) to venture a guess that our involvement in "eradicating" these evils all over the world has been far worse than drug lords killing other drug lords/dealers. Hell our involvement in eradicating poppy plants in Afghanistan has actually allowed the Taliban to regain control of the region mainly from the fact that we took out Afghani livelihoods in our quest to destroy opium. Also, it's been proven time and time again that we haven't made any headway in the war on drugs. I do remember when politicians were talking about Pablo Escobar and how "if we only could take him out" that the cocaine business would shrivel up and disappear. Yet Escobar is worm food and the cocaine industry is booming. Just realize that decriminilizing and taxing drugs would be far better than our current system. As of this moment we spend all this money (which could be used to educate the masses) on judges/lawyers/prisons/officers/federal agencies. Wouldn't you like to see all that money into middle-class social programs versus paying the money with no return? I mean laws are getting stricter and we already have a large prison population on drug offenses alone. Wouldn't you like to take the $17 million a day that states pay prisons and actually educate/treat these individuals versus paying to keep them in jail? I'd rather have a murderer/rapist in jail versus some granny toking the peace pipe for her glaucoma.
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INTERVIEW THE CHILD!! I want to know what he must be feeling... So fascinating, to be responsible for the suicide of your own father! It's so sordid and tragic, but I can't help but wonder what he must be feeling. So interesting.
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@paulson Dude, with all due respect, stfu. The law works in such a way that if a teacher suspects that ANYTHING out of the ordinary is going on at home, they legally must call the police. Police are legally allowed and encourage to pressure people, lie to them, use whatever tactics necessary if they believe that it will lead to tangible results. I have personally experienced this. In high school a teacher suspected me of being abused; police officers came in the middle of the night, took me and my younger brother to the station and questioned us, would not let us leave till we had spoken to social services, detectives, filled out 'police reports,' etc. Throughout the experience they kept planting scenarios for us to answer. Even if his son did knowingly rat him out, I'm sure that he did not intend for this situation to occur, and certainly not want his father's suicide. He's probably dealing w/ enough guilt and pain w/o douchebags like you. You give stoners a bad name, so do everyone a favor and stay off the message boards.
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You should probably clarify for "dumbass" that you are referring to the fact that opium and cocaine are the basis of the entire pharmaceutical industry. That, amphetamines were developed and released for medical use in the very first year following the prohibition of cocaine. That, the medical world were the ones behind said prohibition, because they recognized the potential for monetary gain. That, amphetamines are, at their most basic level, synthetic cocaine. And that, if we could grow coca plants in our backyard, we would have a highly competitive and cheap market for amphetamine-type drugs. Same goes for opiates.
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I don't care who you are, but that kid is a faggot. Here's how it probably went: teach:"today kids we're going to talk about the highly dangerous and destructive things that marijauna does to you, and the society." kid:"lol my mom and dad grow weed at the house." teach:"GASP! WE MUST GET THE POLICE!" dad:"holy shit my only son just ratted me out to the police and i'll be stuck in jail for ages. what a disgraceful piece of garbage i raised. i think i'll kill myself... after i burn all this weed." this had nothing to do with gangs, drug trafficing, or anything else. just an old man that loved to smoke weed and grew some dank shit on his own lawn. maybe he sold a bit, who knows. that's not in the police report. so to all of you marijauna haters- fuck you. go fall into the firey brimestone pit that is dante's inferno.
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As someone in favor of the complete legalization of marijuana, I can only hope that the hundreds of tragic stories we hear about associated w/ overzealous ignorant law enforcement and ignorant or blatantly incorrect FDA reports leads to redemption. There are many that saw the moonshine movement during prohibition as patriotic, tough and admirable, and there are american brands of liquor that came out of that time that are respected. Alcohol is so much worse for you, and has no redeeming health benefits whatsoever. And yet cannibus--which has been proven to be anti-carcinogenic, anti-nausea, promotes a healthy appetite etc--is still illegal and highly stigmatized, as we see in the case of Robert Pasch. My heart goes out to his wife and son and the rest of his loved ones. I hope that the local law enforcement that arrested him and his wife even after finding no plants re-examine their position and consider the way that they approach and carry out arrests and hand down sentences in the name of the justice system. R.I.P.
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It is a shame that anyone commits suicide growing marijuana as I'm a supporter of making it legal. But COME ON. Something was going on with the child at his school to have the school call the police to make sure this child was okay. The police do not randomly *pick children* to ask questions to. The man shot himself with a firearm that apparently was already in the house. The growing seemed a little bit more than "Recreational" to me. What makes this whole story even worse: The TITLE given to it here. You are calling a child a "Rat" Before I clicked on...I thought his son was a grown man and not a child. Good god. I feel sorry for this child - He probably had a tough life from start...and now a website will forever be googled by calling this poor kid a Rat. There has to be a happy middle ground here of supporting cannabis and the benefits of its medical affects and a possible endangered child with two parents who don't look too stable from their pictures with a guns. Yes. I think there is more to this story than him killing himself for growing pot.
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Wow, so sad. What kinda Son rats out his own dad? Jess www.true-privacy.es.tc
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No one is blaming the drug war for him growing, they're blaming the drug war for giving this guy the choice between "jail for x years" or "blow your brains out".
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I'm sick of people blaming stuff like this on the 'drug war' and making these people out to be victims. Nobody told this guy to grow weed. Only his own stupidity is to blame for growing and smoking it.
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if you are caught growing, there is no "get on with your life" -- in prison perhaps, the prison you pay for , doofus--- how bout don't incarcerate people for growing plants---- no, much too hypocritical, then we could grow coke and opium and the government and pharmaceutical companies would have competition----- don't you see where this is going... subsidized healthcare-- they are gonna sell you the opium and they are gonna charge the fuck out of you for it, or all of us I should say- when in reality that will fix absolutely nothing.
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I'm sick of people blaming stuff like this on the 'drug war' and making these people out to be victims. Nobody told this guy to grow weed. Only his own stupidity is to blame for growing and smoking it.
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I am concerned it was a suicide because more things were going on than just the growing...maybe the kid exposed other problems, I would like to see the continued investigation and outcome of this. I don't know anyone who would kill themselves over growing, it really shows weakness. I would hate for the feds to think we'll off ourselves when the heat is on. I don't know enough facts, gotta admit, and I pray for the family and feel sad for their situation, but it doesn't add up..I'm not a hater, I'm just sayin....
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I wonder why a non violent, stable, hardworking american is forced to deal with criminals to get a natural, non lethal intoxicant when lethal and addictive intoxicants can be bought at the local quick shop
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I wonder how many people the drug warlords (and their chain of command) have killed over the years, and will kill over the years, to satisfy the worlds need for recreational drugs.
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Well geez, when we allow law enforcement to talk to children in the schools, encouraging them to tell on their parents, what can we expect? Since we now have the Boy & Girl Scouts training under the Department of Homeland Security -- http://www.infowars.com/obama-youth-homeland-security-wants-to-recruit-girl-scouts/ -- I'm sure much more of this is just over the horizon!
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nobody said....are you serious??? Put down YOUR bong and get on with life.
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The last suicide caused by this war was a grandmother in Colorado in December. Her grandson ate one of her marijuana cookies and felt tired, Grama got worried and brought him to the hospital - she gets busted and kills herself. The drug war has kept from us the fact that marijuana is very good for kids - it doesn't even hurt a fetus according to Dr. Melanie Dreher's work in Jamaica. This is the truth, and to those who use this sacred Herb, this fact is not surprising. But to those who have not questioned or experimented to find the truth, they will have a hard time believing this information. The truth about this healing plant is being kept from us in order to justify these gruesome laws, and it is killing innocent Americans left and right.
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Such a sad story. I wonder how many times has something like this happened in the past. This drug war is a disgrace to society.
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