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| Robert Batsch: Another victim of the war on pot |
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Comments
Pierre Werner said:
Such a sad story. I wonder how many times has something like this happened in the past. This drug war is a disgrace to society.
Posted 02/24/2010 at 11:16:51 AM
nobdy said:
The last suicide caused by this war was a grandmother in Colorado in December. Her grandson ate one of her marijuana cookies and felt tired, Grama got worried and brought him to the hospital - she gets busted and kills herself.
The drug war has kept from us the fact that marijuana is very good for kids - it doesn't even hurt a fetus according to Dr. Melanie Dreher's work in Jamaica. This is the truth, and to those who use this sacred Herb, this fact is not surprising. But to those who have not questioned or experimented to find the truth, they will have a hard time believing this information.
The truth about this healing plant is being kept from us in order to justify these gruesome laws, and it is killing innocent Americans left and right.
Posted 02/24/2010 at 05:21:25 PM
Anonymous said:
nobody said....are you serious??? Put down YOUR bong and get on with life.
Posted 02/24/2010 at 07:05:12 PM
your a dumbass replied to Anonymous:
if you are caught growing, there is no "get on with your life" -- in prison perhaps, the prison you pay for , doofus--- how bout don't incarcerate people for growing plants---- no, much too hypocritical, then we could grow coke and opium and the government and pharmaceutical companies would have competition-----
don't you see where this is going... subsidized healthcare-- they are gonna sell you the opium and they are gonna charge the fuck out of you for it, or all of us I should say- when in reality that will fix absolutely nothing.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 11:43:53 AM
duder replied to your a dumbass:
You should probably clarify for "dumbass" that you are referring to the fact that opium and cocaine are the basis of the entire pharmaceutical industry. That, amphetamines were developed and released for medical use in the very first year following the prohibition of cocaine. That, the medical world were the ones behind said prohibition, because they recognized the potential for monetary gain. That, amphetamines are, at their most basic level, synthetic cocaine. And that, if we could grow coca plants in our backyard, we would have a highly competitive and cheap market for amphetamine-type drugs.
Same goes for opiates.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 12:03:41 PM
Joe replied to duder:
Well, amphetamines are more of a derivative of ma huang, not cocaine. Although not as potent. ma huang will give you the same high as methamphetamine. I think you meant synthetic topical pain killers like novocaine are synthetic cocaine. Ma Huang is the base for speed, Cocaine the base for coke, Poppies the base for heroin. All quite natural plants.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 12:38:04 PM
robert said:
Well geez, when we allow law enforcement to talk to children in the schools, encouraging them to tell on their parents, what can we expect?
Since we now have the Boy & Girl Scouts training under the Department of Homeland Security -- http://www.infowars.com/obama-youth-homeland-security-wants-to-recruit-girl-scouts/ -- I'm sure much more of this is just over the horizon!
Posted 02/24/2010 at 10:57:56 PM
Anonymous said:
I wonder how many people the drug warlords (and their chain of command) have killed over the years, and will kill over the years, to satisfy the worlds need for recreational drugs.
Posted 02/24/2010 at 11:12:59 PM
DrugLords_OhLord replied to Anonymous:
"I wonder how many people the drug warlords (and their chain of command) have killed over the years, and will kill over the years, to satisfy the worlds need for recreational drugs."
Are you really serious about that? I'll debunk your statement just because it's obviously not logically thought out.
First off, I don't care what drug lords you're talking about. On the same basis the US government helped put most of these people in power during our War on Drugs. Remember the mob? Yeah that was created during Prohibition when alcohol was illegal. They killed a ton of people but I'd venture a guess that their "business" was created when the government started cracking down on drugs.
Secondly drug lords will kill people due to the volatile and dangerous nature of their profession. However, I don't believe (though I don't have the numbers) to venture a guess that our involvement in "eradicating" these evils all over the world has been far worse than drug lords killing other drug lords/dealers. Hell our involvement in eradicating poppy plants in Afghanistan has actually allowed the Taliban to regain control of the region mainly from the fact that we took out Afghani livelihoods in our quest to destroy opium.
Also, it's been proven time and time again that we haven't made any headway in the war on drugs. I do remember when politicians were talking about Pablo Escobar and how "if we only could take him out" that the cocaine business would shrivel up and disappear. Yet Escobar is worm food and the cocaine industry is booming.
Just realize that decriminilizing and taxing drugs would be far better than our current system. As of this moment we spend all this money (which could be used to educate the masses) on judges/lawyers/prisons/officers/federal agencies. Wouldn't you like to see all that money into middle-class social programs versus paying the money with no return? I mean laws are getting stricter and we already have a large prison population on drug offenses alone. Wouldn't you like to take the $17 million a day that states pay prisons and actually educate/treat these individuals versus paying to keep them in jail? I'd rather have a murderer/rapist in jail versus some granny toking the peace pipe for her glaucoma.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 12:22:40 PM
Stop replied to Anonymous:
So if you and everyone else quit using them there would be no market. No market not sales. No sales not drug lords. Guit using it and ON ONE DIES. Simple!
Posted 02/27/2010 at 06:05:06 PM
Anonymous replied to Stop:
I choose freedom to make my own decisions, rather than to abide by broken, fascist policies.
Posted 03/01/2010 at 08:46:20 AM
Jim replied to Stop:
I can use drugs if i freaking want to. Marijuana is good for me and makes me happy and im not about to let the lying government tell me what to do. If they want to arrest me and shit than let them i'll be even more pissed off and hate the government more.
Posted 03/08/2010 at 06:25:19 AM
opentotruth said:
I wonder why a non violent, stable, hardworking american is forced to deal with criminals to get a natural, non lethal intoxicant when lethal and addictive intoxicants can be bought at the local quick shop
Posted 02/24/2010 at 11:54:32 PM
Flying Paint Ranch said:
I am concerned it was a suicide because more things were going on than just the growing...maybe the kid exposed other problems, I would like to see the continued investigation and outcome of this. I don't know anyone who would kill themselves over growing, it really shows weakness. I would hate for the feds to think we'll off ourselves when the heat is on. I don't know enough facts, gotta admit, and I pray for the family and feel sad for their situation, but it doesn't add up..I'm not a hater, I'm just sayin....
Posted 02/25/2010 at 10:11:37 AM
Anonymous replied to Flying Paint Ranch:
It makes perfect sense, if he expected to die in prison.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 01:46:22 PM
anonymous said:
I'm sick of people blaming stuff like this on the 'drug war' and making these people out to be victims. Nobody told this guy to grow weed. Only his own stupidity is to blame for growing and smoking it.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 11:43:42 AM
mludd replied to anonymous:
No one is blaming the drug war for him growing, they're blaming the drug war for giving this guy the choice between "jail for x years" or "blow your brains out".
Posted 02/25/2010 at 11:46:19 AM
Anonymous replied to anonymous:
we should throw you in jail for that one time you wore a hat, or something absurdly not-criminal like that. then you can be the non-victim who should have known better.
you're the problem with this world, meek obedient hapless gullible self-enslaving worthless subhuman piece of excrement.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 05:15:52 PM
anonymous said:
I'm sick of people blaming stuff like this on the 'drug war' and making these people out to be victims. Nobody told this guy to grow weed. Only his own stupidity is to blame for growing and smoking it.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 11:44:25 AM
Jo WOods said:
Wow, so sad. What kinda Son rats out his own dad?
Jess
www.true-privacy.es.tc
Posted 02/25/2010 at 11:46:38 AM
Not cool...but still said:
It is a shame that anyone commits suicide growing marijuana as I'm a supporter of making it legal.
But COME ON. Something was going on with the child at his school to have the school call the police to make sure this child was okay. The police do not randomly *pick children* to ask questions to.
The man shot himself with a firearm that apparently was already in the house. The growing seemed a little bit more than "Recreational" to me.
What makes this whole story even worse: The TITLE given to it here. You are calling a child a "Rat" Before I clicked on...I thought his son was a grown man and not a child. Good god. I feel sorry for this child - He probably had a tough life from start...and now a website will forever be googled by calling this poor kid a Rat.
There has to be a happy middle ground here of supporting cannabis and the benefits of its medical affects and a possible endangered child with two parents who don't look too stable from their pictures with a guns. Yes. I think there is more to this story than him killing himself for growing pot.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 11:55:37 AM
PleasePlease replied to Not cool...but still:
Please, please stop using this kind of crap in an argument....
"The man shot himself with a firearm that apparently was already in the house. The growing seemed a little bit more than "Recreational" to me."
For one I take offense to that statement as an avid gun owner. The guy has a .22 rifle. Have you ever shot such a tiny POS? I'm actually surprised it killed the guy. But using that kind of statement (if people can't using reading comprehension) hints that the guy was protecting his stash. Since it could have very well been used for it, it wasn't even mentioned other than that's the gun he killed himself with.
I personally have a 12 ga semi-automatic shotgun and a semi-automatic .308 hunting rifle. Does owning these guns have any correlation to smoking pot? Not at all. I use mine for home protection and plus I'm a Vermonter (it's in our hillbilly blood).
So, I don't care about the conversation about legalizing pot or if what the kid did was right/wrong. I do have an issue when it's brought up about the gun as if that's a reason the guy has a growing operation...
Posted 02/25/2010 at 12:32:21 PM
Not Cool but Still replied to PleasePlease:
I'm do not mean to offend gun owners as I was in ROTC and own a gun myself. I'm like Michael Moore. A gun owner...but with real lady boobs. :-)
I'm just going by the chain of events: He burned all of his product and then shot himself. This gives the reader the idea that he did not wish to get caught with a substantial stash and then shot himself to not go to jail.
Yes. This could mean a number of things. It really does point to someone who was selling and owned a gun to protect the product he eventually burned. But the bottom line is simple
What we are all doing...we are speculating. The story is vague. It probably won't be reported again. It's a shock value article. It makes me sad...and the Question Everything Jounalist in me is doing just that. I want to know more. It will probably not happen. (That is a Journalism 2 second News Cycle rant I will share one day. :0 )
Right now my concern is for the kid. In so many ways. My heart goes out to him.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 12:43:43 PM
Logic FALE replied to Not Cool but Still:
He dumped the evidence before he was caught. So why would he need to kill himself to "avoid jail"??
Destroying/removing the evidence already satisfied that condition.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 12:59:25 PM
Not Cool but Still replied to Logic FALE:
There is a thing called Forensics. You can burn any materials and it still can be traced (with this instance...as good stoners knows...weed leaves resin. It's the stuff we scrape when we are out).
He apparently was not thinking clearly around the board. And again he shot himself...so logic would assume that he might have burned the evidence, but either he thought he would still get caught...or something else occurred to have him commit suicide outside of the weed evidence.
Or maybe he just thought his life was done. It cold be anything.
Question Motives. Question Everything. I'm all CSI up in here! Or maybe I got one of those old Fedoras with the word "Press" stuck in it. :-)
Posted 02/25/2010 at 01:06:09 PM
jean replied to Not cool...but still:
Thanks for being reasonable. We need more of you.
14 states have made medical marijuana available, because they (1) recognize there is a huge market for it; (2) need the revenue and (maybe, 3) recognize it as a legitimate medicine for pain relief.
On that last note, before it was made illegal people did use it medicinally. Much of the history of this drug as illicit originates in the AMA and racism again African-American and Hispanic Americans.
And those are facts.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 02:05:06 PM
Alex said:
As someone in favor of the complete legalization of marijuana, I can only hope that the hundreds of tragic stories we hear about associated w/ overzealous ignorant law enforcement and ignorant or blatantly incorrect FDA reports leads to redemption.
There are many that saw the moonshine movement during prohibition as patriotic, tough and admirable, and there are american brands of liquor that came out of that time that are respected. Alcohol is so much worse for you, and has no redeeming health benefits whatsoever. And yet cannibus--which has been proven to be anti-carcinogenic, anti-nausea, promotes a healthy appetite etc--is still illegal and highly stigmatized, as we see in the case of Robert Pasch.
My heart goes out to his wife and son and the rest of his loved ones. I hope that the local law enforcement that arrested him and his wife even after finding no plants re-examine their position and consider the way that they approach and carry out arrests and hand down sentences in the name of the justice system. R.I.P.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 11:59:48 AM
Really? replied to Alex:
Can you back up your statements??? I can show you are wrong.
Research suggests that moderate alcohol intake can produce a slight rise in HDL cholesterol (a so-called good cholesterol). But that won’t do you much good if you’re tossing back margaritas or mixed drinks with fruit juice, which contain carbohydrates. Switch to red wine; it has about a 10th of the carbohydrates of a margarita, and you’ll also get antioxidants such as flavonoids that are believed to lower LDL and boost HDL. Given the risks of alcohol, however, the American Heart Association recommends that you limit your daily intake to two glasses for men, or one glass for women.
Posted 02/27/2010 at 06:02:32 PM
paulson said:
I don't care who you are, but that kid is a faggot. Here's how it probably went:
teach:"today kids we're going to talk about the highly dangerous and destructive things that marijauna does to you, and the society."
kid:"lol my mom and dad grow weed at the house."
teach:"GASP! WE MUST GET THE POLICE!"
dad:"holy shit my only son just ratted me out to the police and i'll be stuck in jail for ages. what a disgraceful piece of garbage i raised. i think i'll kill myself...
after i burn all this weed."
this had nothing to do with gangs, drug trafficing, or anything else. just an old man that loved to smoke weed and grew some dank shit on his own lawn. maybe he sold a bit, who knows. that's not in the police report. so to all of you marijauna haters- fuck you. go fall into the firey brimestone pit that is dante's inferno.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 12:00:02 PM
Alex said:
@paulson Dude, with all due respect, stfu.
The law works in such a way that if a teacher suspects that ANYTHING out of the ordinary is going on at home, they legally must call the police. Police are legally allowed and encourage to pressure people, lie to them, use whatever tactics necessary if they believe that it will lead to tangible results.
I have personally experienced this. In high school a teacher suspected me of being abused; police officers came in the middle of the night, took me and my younger brother to the station and questioned us, would not let us leave till we had spoken to social services, detectives, filled out 'police reports,' etc. Throughout the experience they kept planting scenarios for us to answer.
Even if his son did knowingly rat him out, I'm sure that he did not intend for this situation to occur, and certainly not want his father's suicide. He's probably dealing w/ enough guilt and pain w/o douchebags like you. You give stoners a bad name, so do everyone a favor and stay off the message boards.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 12:05:19 PM
WOW said:
INTERVIEW THE CHILD!! I want to know what he must be feeling... So fascinating, to be responsible for the suicide of your own father! It's so sordid and tragic, but I can't help but wonder what he must be feeling. So interesting.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 12:10:03 PM
Anonymous said:
The kid isn't responsible for his dad's death. The war on drugs isn't responsible for his dad's death. The dad is responsible for the dad's death. Quit passing the buck to fit your agenda. The guy killed himself and left his family alone.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 12:32:33 PM
Not Cool but Still said:
Nicely said, Alex. My heart goes out to this child. I hope he finds solice in knowing that a few of us here realize that he thought he was not telling a fib to the police.
@Paulson: Dude. Smoke a bowl and chill out. Apparently your stuff is cut with something to be throwing the "F" word about and damning your own to hell. :)
PS: You don't have to be in the Latin King, The Crips or the Bloods, the mafia or part of the Cuban Cartel to have a full on underground business. Never once have I bought cannabis from any of the above. That is the former San Francisco Resident in me: People do not shoot themselves over selling pot unless there is something else going on.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 12:35:59 PM
Straight to hell said:
"Dude, have you ever shot a .22 rifle?"
"Ever shot one ON WEED???"
BAM!
Genepool slightly cleansed.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 12:41:10 PM
niceguy420 said:
Well, well... another American killed by a gun... suprise, suprise! I'm sorry folks, but up here in Canada, where we all DO NOT hold the right to bear arms, but are given the privilige to do so (that privilige is just as easily given to us, as it is taken away)... I think there must have been something else going on here... I suffer from depression... I know there are good days and bad days.... this would be one of the Dad's bad days... something else is going on here though... maybe Dad was growing for... as someone here put it... a "Drug Lord" rather than for medicinal reasons or what have you... and seeing as how he had to rid all his equipment (costly to replace)and plants he could have very well put himself in serious debt with people who would off him themselves should he not come correct. I'm just sayin'! Mind you, had this gent been allowed to grow, and along with... him all of north america (regulated of course) he may likely not have had to off himself (especially with a .22 cal...he must've shot himself through his eye or nostril... seriously... I took a .22 round to the knee when I was a youngin' ... Nothing more than a fucked up kneecap and nasty scar I still have today, some 20 years later. Just Sayin' ... Guns Are bad and so is prohibition.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 01:30:06 PM
Bobby Ras replied to niceguy420:
Actually, as a Canadian, you DO have the right to bear arms. You should research this kind of thing before you post as if you know what you are talking about.
Posted 03/01/2010 at 12:19:15 AM
Dan Zweng said:
FUCK THAT KID
takes a true pussy faggot to rat out his own Dad for doing something as benign as growing marijuana. Its not like his Dad told him to smoke it.
I hope the kid learns from what he did. He is partially to blame for his Dads suicide.
Oh and have fun at school little faggot. You will never live this down socially
Posted 02/25/2010 at 05:37:40 PM
mydnytmover said:
Well now the kid can get his rear ramed in a foster home, The people that made him rat are nothing better then child molesters
Posted 02/26/2010 at 03:31:57 PM
Anonymous said:
I find it amazing how the anti-pot organizations, law enforcement, teachers, and government twist logic to try to justify their positions that pot is a dangerous drug. And these people wonder why teenagers don't take their message seriously. Teens just aren't that stupid. And when you try to pull stupid logic tricks on teens they resent it and ignore you. If they are going to accuse us of being brain damaged, they sure aren't setting a very good example of what "normal" is supposed to be. Here are a few examples of tortured logic:
"90% of drug addicts smoked Marijuana first. Therefore, smoking Marijuana leads to harder drugs."
Wow! This is really brilliant. Based on that reasoning, 99% of drug addicts attended church before becoming a drug addict. Therefore going to church leads to harder drugs. What else did over 90% of drug addicts do first? Over 90% of drug addicts smoked a cigarette, most still do. They drank alcohol, most still do. How about watched television, voted for a Democrat, had a pet, had sex, owned a bicycle, chewed gum, participated in sports, celebrated Halloween, had a religious experience, took something that didn't belong to them, voted for a Republican, told a lie, wondered if they might be homosexual, or ate too much white sugar. Using the same reasoning, all these activities must also lead to harder drugs.
"There are over 400 chemicals in the marijuana plant."
There are over 400 chemicals in every plant. There are over 700 chemicals added to American cigarettes.
"When a user begins to feel that he or she needs to take the drug to feel well, that person is said to be dependent or addicted to the drug."
I suppose I'm addicted to aspirin. When I get a headache, I need aspirin to feel well. Everything that feels good is addictive and there's a 12 step program out there for every one of them. And if you don't believe it, you're in DENIAL! Since they know that Pot isn't addictive, they try to redefine the word "addiction" and try to make Pot fit the new definition. The fact that the need to twist the definition indicates that they know that Pot doesn't fit the traditional definition of addiction.
Drug addiction occurs when the drug affects the body in a way that causes the body to become dependent on the drug and causes a negative reaction when the drug is removed. Marijuana and magic mushrooms are examples of non-addictive drugs. Cocaine, Heroine, Methamphedamine, Alcohol, Tobacco, and Caffeine are examples of addictive drugs. Telling lies about what drugs are addictive is not going to help solve the drug problem.
Posted 03/01/2010 at 02:11:31 AM
Senior Homes said:
What have we become in America. This drugs is such an awful side of the face of our society. It is really disappointing that young lives are being affected, lives are taken away, and relationships are ruined by drugs. Oh Good Lord!
Posted 03/26/2010 at 06:07:42 PM
JUVIMANE said:
LEGALIZE IT! ... A MAN CAN'T PLANT A SEED? ... IF THAT'S NOT COMMUNIST I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS! ... AMERICA, A GREAT IDEA, BUT POOR EXECUTION>
Posted 07/26/2010 at 07:43:16 AM




