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| Photo: The Hawaii Cannabis Ministry |
| Roger Christie of THC Ministry is "a danger to the community." That is, if you believe federal prosecutors. |
A Hawaii-based marijuana minister who has for years been preaching the good news about ganja is now under federal indictment, and agents on Friday managed to persuade a federal judge that he is somehow "too dangerous" to be allowed out on bail.
Christie and the others are charged with marijuana trafficking offenses related to their alleged distribution of marijuana as a sacrament at the ministry, reports Stop The Drug War.
Christie had already been raided by the DEA in March, with agents "seizing" cash and marijuana, but not arresting him at that time.
Federal agents claim that after that raid, Christie continued his marijuana distribution at the ministry. He and the others were secretly indicted last month.
Christie had originally been ordered held without bail, at federal prosecutors' request, as ordered by federal Magistrate Judge Kevin Chang. The minister and his public defender, Matthew Winter, last week filed a motion seeking his release, citing the nonviolent nature of his offenses, Christie's longstanding ties with the community, his lack of a criminal record, and his willingness to abstain from marijuana use or distribution pending trial.
A federal pre-trial sentencing report also agreed that Christie should be freed on bail.
But prosecutors hit back with a 46-page memorandum in opposition. Claiming that Christie started back distributing marijuana after the March raids, prosecutors said that made him "a danger to the community and... no conditions/combination of conditions could assure the safety of the community."
U.S. District Court Judge Alan Kay on Friday agreed with prosecutors.
Christie will now be held behind bars without bail until trial, because the gentle, pot-smoking minister is obviously "too dangerous" to walk around as a free man.
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Rodrigo said:
Too dangerous for the ESTABLISHMENT.
harold replied to Rodrigo:
Establishment? is that not the legal citizenry granting the govt rights to look out for the best interests of the general Citizenry as opposed to the self serving interests of a few Potheads.
gdhzdfh replied to harold:
a few potheads?! The federal government is supposed to reflect what the people want, the tides are changing in that respect, the polls show that at least for medical marijuana the majority supports it and for legalization it is changing also. The fed is losing this battle, it isn't just a "few potheads". Its time for the fed to realize that marijuana is a lot less harmful than alcohol. If you believe otherwise you live in a delusional world and I feel sorry for you for that. Do some actual research, and I don't even smoke it.
yeayea replied to harold:
harold is a troll. A self serving troll. Whose interests do not benefit anyone but himself.
not_harold replied to yeayea:
harold is too dangerous for the majority of the community we need to lock him away without bail
bodily rights are human rights replied to harold:
Nixon's back.
Anonymous replied to harold:
No Harold, this is the establishment, aka the Federal Reserve Lashing out at a good decent man because he has found a legitament loop hole that threatens the business as usual tactics (war on drugs)(bullshit) enforced by "special interest" groups (Fed) who are trying to control and dominate the world by creating a New World Order. In which, even ignorant morons like yourself will be cast into slavery with the other mindless conformists. So read a book an since you are most likely illiterate, I suggest you watch a good quality film. I recommend, "Zeitgeist". Seek the truth and the truth will set you free.
...the Federal Judiciary; an irresponsible body (for impeachment is scarcely a scarecrow), working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief, over the field of jurisdiction, until all shall be usurped from the States, and the government of all be consolidated into one. When all government... in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the centre of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated.
The man who fears no truth has nothing to fear from lies.
Does the government fear us? Or do we fear the government? When the people fear the government, tyranny has found victory. The federal government is our servant, not our master!
The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.
Thomas Jefferson
So stick that in a pipe and smoke it, Harold
Jah Onacona
Anonymous replied to harold:
No Harold, the only self serving entity we are dealing with is the Federal Reserve and the Illuninati that owns it. In 1910 the FEDERAL RESERVE conducted one of the largest and illegal, gold seizures in recorded history. He with the most gold wins. Money is power. They illegaly seized the wealth of the people by threatening every citizen with 10 years in Federal Prison for non-compliance. They Hijacked America. ROBBED US BLIND. Now they want to enslave us. And you defend them. People like YOU are the problem. Hypnotized and brainwashed you are for believing the lies they spin. How can you even count yourself human with the side you choose? You ignorant welp.
Jah Onacona
GeekGirl replied to Rodrigo:
None of this makes any sense - Roger is the one who got the Island-wide vote to ban the helicopter flights WHICH PASSED BY THE WAY. He is well known, out spoken and he is a perfectly lovely man.
This is bullying by the DEA and FED GOVT because ROGER IS RIGHT and he was WINNING the people of the Big Island VOTED and said they AGREED with him - STOP the flying, stop the DEA invasion that has been going on since the '80s.
Where is the ACLU? Where are the limits to the police state tactics of the FEDS and DEA bullshit artists? TOO DANGEROUS? HE RAN FOR MAYOR A FEW YEARS BACK - HELLO! GET A CLUE. This is political use of the law for private (DEA agent's $$) gain.
I'm totally disgusted by this - and by the stupid comments here - if you knew Roger Christie or anything he stands for you would be as appalled as I am at this flagrant abuse of State/Govt power -
This is DEA drug money warlording and that is all it is - they should be tried for racketeering and abuse of civil rights.
Dammit.
Just really blew my day to read this.
I watched DEA turn the Big Island from a peaceful pot growing place to a heroin and methamphetamine infested shit hole in the 80's - they cut off all the outbound traffic of pot and 'sold' the high school kids there 8balls and meth for their crop instead of cash - that's how the DEA does it - totally corrupt BS all the way around.
They are the ones who got this whole country into Meth. Great job guys.
Bunch of fucking losers.
Matt in Boulder said:
DEA = KGB. Terrorizing the country's citizens in full view of the public eye. WTF!!!! They are the ones too dangerous to run free in society, yet they continue unabated...
harold replied to Matt in Boulder:
Awwwww, wouldnt you know it, a hazed opinion from the Republic of Boulder.
private citizen replied to harold:
you just hate on anyone anti-establishment....
simple ridicule and rudeness...
you keep being mean but say nothing worth reading, other than your repetitive manta "dont question the man!"
Jon In Delavan, Wi. said:
I have been to Roger Christie's Cannabis Ministries in Hilo. He is practicing under the 'federal religious use act', and is not violating any laws. The ones in violation in this case is an idiot judge and the DEA. All of the agents, judges, and prosecutors involved in this case should be locked up for a long long time to send the message to these communist idiots, YOU CANT MESS WITH A MAN's RELIGEON. This case against Roger Christie is immoral and unethical to say the very least. MAY THEY ROTT IN HELL.
Harold replied to Jon In Delavan, Wi. :
Jon: Immoral, you cant mess with a man's religion etc. etc. and of course anyone, (Officer of the Law, Prosecuting Attorney or Judge or legal Citizen of the U.S.) who would disagree with you is an Idiot, because you think you are the Judge and Jury.
Potheads like you are lacking in common sense, and thank the Lord your reproductive powers are limited, do you think you and your perversions are all important and we should sacrafice our views and be submissive to yours. You are a perfect example of an Ego-Centric Addicted Pothead.
Tom replied to Harold:
You believe in a god.
You also don't understand the grammatical uses of the apostrophe.
The above "pothead" is correct, and is probably far more intelligent than you will ever be.
John Day replied to Harold:
You sir are a 100% bonafide troll (either that or you IQ is in single digits)
Anonymous replied to Harold:
Harold,
I don't know what rock you've been living under. But it's time to come out from under there and breathe some oxygen. I'm sure your brain cells would benifit. It is obvious to everyone that you are infantile at best and have know clue at all as to what kind of non-sense you are spewing from your ignorant mind. I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say that you are completely mislead and unfounded. I/We feel sorry for your unfortunate short comings and suggest that you do some reading. I suggest the reliable wisdom of Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson. You might learn something, but I doubt it.
Anonymous replied to Harold:
Harold,
I don't know what rock you've been living under. But it's time to come out from under there and breathe some oxygen. I'm sure your brain cells would benifit. It is obvious to everyone that you are infantile at best and have know clue at all as to what kind of non-sense you are spewing from your ignorant mind. I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say that you are completely mislead and unfounded. I/We feel sorry for your unfortunate short comings and suggest that you do some reading. I suggest the reliable wisdom of Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson. You might learn something, but I doubt it.
Jah Onacona
nedmorlef said:
seizing cash and secretly indicted tells the story here.
harold replied to nedmorlef:
Gonzobot:
Raided for Cash? See what that stuff does to your short term memory, they raided and took into evidence the Mariuana as well.
But I do recognize the medical condition you have it is called narcissistic ego-centrism--you think you are right and the world is wrong.
Anonymous replied to harold:
@Harold
I suppose Galileo, Susan B. Anthony, and the founding fathers were also just "ego-centric narcissists" because they stood up for what they believed in even though the rest of the world disagreed.
The norm is the norm because it hasn't been changed, not because it is right.
Daniel replied to Anonymous:
"But I do recognize the medical condition you have it is called narcissistic ego-centrism"
Speak for yourself you fascist pigfucker.
Anonymous replied to harold:
Not for long... REVOLUTION!!!!!!!! Userp the FED!!!!!!! The Zeitgeist movement has already begun! Arm yourself with knowledge and use your words like bullets!!! UNLOAD YOUR CLIPS ON THE TRUE ENEMY OF THE STATE. THE FEDERAL RESERVE!!!
Harold I think you should just sit back and let the adults handle this... You're obviously stupid.
Jah Onacona
Anonymous replied to harold:
Harold, you may think yourself a man but I think we all agree you are a coward or an agent of the Fed. Which would make sense because you have the mentallity of a primate.
Jah Onacona
harold replied to nedmorlef:
Yeah, follow the money--keep taking and impounding the money and they will soon go out of business--because that is what the Hawaii Canabis Ministry (THC Ministry) is. It is an illegal business(for profit) operation attempting to use Religion as a justified right.
Potheads will go to any extreme, attempting to justify their addiction.
andy replied to harold:
That doesn't sound like any other church does it? Or wait, don't all churches extort money from their 'flock', for profit? Who do you think pays for all those 'christ crackers' and merlot? Or is it Pinot?
If you weren't such a narrow minded hypocrite, you might be able to see that everything you think is a lie... you are living in a fantasy world, where church and state are [gay]married, like your warped sense of morality to your ignorance.
I don't feel sorry for brainwashed choir boys like you... I rather delight in the idea of you wasting your pathetic life, worshipping a nonexistent god. I am capable of enjoying life in ways beyond your limited comprehension... nothing you ever do will be as fulfilling as the experience of real life. You are a waste of flesh... and I fell like I've wasted my time long enough on you.
god bless... or god damn you... whichever you think is more insulting
Blackbart55 replied to andy:
Harold is the Troll he was looking for. Find yourself Harold. Why do you hate people for being different? Perhaps you should turn your comments inward and step back and look in on how hypocritical you are.
Harold's Logic.
Harold supports socialized criminalization. I.E. 1 in 5 American citizens in prison initiative which resembles a prison state. He would support alcohol prohibition if you would let him. Thankfully Americans realized what a drain this Utopian thinking was to society so it was amended. But if you need another look watch how they still practice this in Alaska. Alcohol goes for $200 a fifth up there in parts of Alaska.
My Logic.
We hit China hard about civil rights violations but Harold would like to commit them and endorses their use in the USA. I feel that marijuana use was a civil right defined within the context of the constitution when it was drafted. Then they amended it to reflect their socialistic idea of what a person should do to meet their social standards. But really it was done to hurt the hemp industry / racial discrimination was a selling point. The war on drugs is a big social program that benefits no one except those who have jobs because of it.
Truth is people are imperfect and deserve better than black and white thinking. Pot is not harmful except in the eyes of the beholder. Facts, not fiction, should dictate our course of action. The facts illuminate these core problems with the status quo.
1. It costs money and has increased over time to more than $1Billion per year. It incurs the cost through prisons, legal processing, and hostile/armed law enforcement maintenance costs for equipment/manpower.
2. It provides a market profiteers that is extremely lucrative due to demand. These profiteers range from your neighbors to the Mexican cartels. The cartels are funding %90 of their operations on marijuana sales directly to the USA. These unsavory characters bask in violence and obscene amounts of cash. Not unlike the organized crime that was thriving due to the prohibition of alcohol. The cartels control Mexico through violence that is continuing to worsen across our boarders. More cartel activity has been seen than at any other time in our war on drugs. The suppliers are moving closer to the consumers as it were.
3. Propaganda describes the war on drugs best. It is a war started by people with no tolerance to people who are different. The propaganda was made infectious through racism and greed. Watch Reefer Madness 1938. It is hate and fear rolled into one big mistake. The people who pursue prohibition are on a crusade not unlike religious zealots of the past. They have no clue and never will and that is good enough for them to condemn everyone that is unlike themselves. A prime example would be the labeling that Harold demonstrated. He first tried to establish himself as an intellectual with first hand knowledge. Though we all know he has never smoked pot for any continuous period of time, say a month or more. And like other drugs it takes a level of saturation to produce desired medical effects. So the, "I have tried it" adage doesn't work Beyond his limited knowledge. He would go on to discredit others in an attempt to legitimize his intellectual status that he gave himself. These views are ingrained due to years of propaganda. They start in elementary school by trying to get kids to turn in their parents and friends. They drone on and on how bad drugs are until you only know what they say over and over. A.K.A, this is your brain on drugs BS. Neuroscientists barely understand how the brain works or how things effect it. How do cops know more than Neuroscientists? The main issue we all face in this war is the labeling. It seems innocent in some contexts but is really the biggest hurdle we have to overcome. When they call a person a "pothead" they are insulting and ignorant. Do not fuel their ignorance by becoming offended. After all most people do not like a person who does not know them to label them based on one aspect in their life. Smoking, ingesting, or vaporizing pot is just as normal as eating food, drinking, smoking, shitting, sleeping, or any number of activities a person could choose to perform. I do not wish to be labeled for what takes 15 minuets out of my day. I guess under Harld's logic he could call me a shithead since I have to perform routine evacuations throughout my life. One could go on to argue that my life has amounted to shit because that is all I do. Simply put he is a limited individual that feels threatened by people unlike himself. This is why he would have armed men toting guns break in your house and shoot your pets and endanger your children for a couple grams of dead plant. It is fear that drive this propaganda and they felt that Roger Christie would inspire the enemy combatants/marijuana users, to feel comfortable with the notion that Religious beliefs should allow them amnesty against an immoral drug war. Morals go out the door with any war and it is no different in this case.
4. Inherent benefits wont be realized until we begin to heal from prohibition. Supporters know that regulation and taxation would be a godsend for many reasons. a. Lowers prison populations which benefits tax payers across the board. b. Frees up the overloaded legal system to deal with violent offenders. c. Makes it harder for children to acquire drugs. d. Provides tax revenue for schools and drug treatment programs along with extra revenue for state programs/projects. e. curbs Drug cartels profits and violence or basically moves it to another black market playground around the world. They go where the money is. It has continuously moved closer to it's customers as the DEA has "Fought"/funded them. f. Or the literally thousands of medical benefits should count for something. Like how it can send the kill signal to cancer cells or how it helps pain, depression, alcoholism, anxiety, eating problems, MS, or ........ I could go on but you get the idea.
In closing, anyone who uses Marijuana need to talk about it especially when it is uncomfortable to do so. We have an obligation to the next generation to end this war. This can be done through normalization and familiarization. Let the ignorant know that you still go to work and pay bills/taxes. That you like funny movies too. That you both hate former president W. Bush or loved him. That you just saved their life because they didn't read the safety directions on that machine. Let them know you are just as human as they are and that judging you doesn't make them right or better in any way. It's time to counterstrike our opponents. Due so with tack and intellect. Remember they have guns! Keep your heads up and we will win.
Vote Blackbart55 2020 President of USA. I'll beat the shit out of prohibition one hatter at a time if need be.
My IQ is more than 3, I think....
Thanks for reading.
Anonymous replied to andy:
BRAVO Andy!!!! Standing O! Elloquently put sir!
Jah Onacona
Anonymous replied to harold:
Harold,
Marijuana is not addictive. You must be drunk. Go to AA and then go buy some pot. I believe you have once again astounded us with your lack of intellect. You are confusing us with the Fed, yet again. That is the self serving greed machine you are looking to debase. Point your "single digit IQ" in that direction. Otherwise, let the grown-ups use this format for real discussion.
Mkay?
Jah Onacona
Veronika said:
This is just sad.... the cops need to realize that there are much more important things to do and more pressing issues than a harmless man!
Gonzobot replied to Veronika:
Unfortunately, there are very few things that cops can do that are more PROFITABLE than ganging up on potheads. Notice they raided him for cash, didn't arrest him, then came back months later to clean him out again?
harold replied to Veronika:
Veronika:
Things/Issues--you must be suffering withdrawl since you were unable to identify one thing or issue.
harold said:
POTHEADS are Potheads, what can you expect? Just read these comments, they are all Potheads requesting special legal treatment for their addiction. Awwww the word "Addiction", that will bring them out screaming wanting of scientific proor--Look in the mirror is that good enough science
for you? You want it so bad and the feeling without it just gets worse, you cant sleep, you cant reproduce, you cant see (glaucoma), you have back pains, but you never complain of having ass pains--I guess your all perfect ass holes.
Vin replied to harold:
Do you go to websites advocating prescription drugs and bad mouth them?
Do you actually care?
What if the government stepped on your toes about any of your religious practices?
I don't smoke marijuana, I don't drink, or smoke tobacco for that matter. And I can see clearly that they are picking on him. He has a right to do what he is doing, this is America. Right to religion.
And a much healthier way of medicating without the horrible side effects of prescription drugs that are legal.
harold replied to Vin:
I would suggest you read the Constitution regarding Religion and should you really be interested as you proclaim read the discussions of the Constitutional founders relating to Religion. In addition if people are truly sick, as was my Son with Leukemia, a prescription medicine "Gleavick" saved his life and are you suggesting that Penecillin and its post devlopents are without merit?
And are you suggesting that Marijuana is a Medicine, by whose scientific definition would you quote.And if you actually believe there are no side effects derived from Marijuana, why all the clamor for its use?
Vin replied to harold:
Clamor for its use? My point is it's better then most prescription drugs. And I said HORRIBLE side effects. A great many of the prescription drugs today have a list of side effects that don't seem worth it. In life saving cases I can understand. (It's that or nothing)
And marijuana is absolutely a medicine. Just because there are people that smoke it that figured out a way to get it as medicine doesn't mean that there aren't people that have never tried it that have different kinds of cancers and diseases that will testify to its benefits. Especially when it doesn't come with any major risks, except jail time. The side effects are Hungry, Sleepy, Happy. It's a drug you can't overdose on. How many prescription drugs can you say that about?
dingdingding replied to harold:
The constitution was written on hemp paper. Due to current marijuana laws, it would be illegal to import the constitution to the USA.
Besides, if you smoke pot you might wind up winning the most gold medals in history, thinking up of new solutions to advance physics problems, or create a top selling music album. Only loser dopers smoke pot, who would want that?
David replied to harold:
Harold,
ARE YOU suggesting that the legal document, Declaration of Independence, publicly recorded on HEMP paper and available for you to witness, and IT'S post developments are without merit? Harold, the problem is that marijuana IS beneficial to the general health, welfare and safety of the people, who declared there independence for that your son would have an opportunity to live. The problem IS, Harold, that the U.S. Government does not classify marijuana as a medicine, they classify it as a CONTROLLED substance. This classification, Harold, is a horrible lie that you or YOUR police power cannot justify, because marijuana grows wild in YOUR back yard and has been growing since way prior to the formation of the above mentioned document, Harold, and in your state and federal parks, Harold, and would have made the side of effects of your sons regimen of radiation and Gleavick much more tolerable for him to bear.
Anonymous replied to harold:
I am perfectly healthy and I love pot. I gaurantee I would beat you in a marathon, you loser. I am willing to bet that you think Christopher Columbus and the rest of the white "CHRISTIAN" conquerers were kind to the Natives of this land. You probably also believe that Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny come to visit you every year. Grow up asshole.
Jah Onacona (I am Cherokee and Souix and this isn't India you ignorant pig.)
welp said:
harold is trolling the shit out of you guys lmao
harold replied to welp:
M'Daddy once told me, you cant pimp a pimp cus you got nothing to sell except common sense--and he/she does.
afgaf replied to harold:
Harold your fighting a losing battle just as the fed and DEA are, you might as well give up. Support for marijuana is growing too strong even for you. Give up, this isn't going to go away, its only going to get stronger. You insulting "potheads" to not having intelligence is an insult to your own. Once again, alcohol is FAR more dangerous than marijuana and I bet you have nothing against any adult indulging in that addiction.
harold replied to welp:
Welp: LOL, its like they are all suffering from Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy--only no Bovine is involved just their passion for weed--turns their brain into a non absorbent sponge.
And thanks for the irony laced compliment :)
Mitch replied to harold:
Ah Harold you truly are proud example of Reagan era "just say no". Why are you so scared? It's just a plant after all. If I want to be a pothead I'll be a damn pothead and it's my god given right to decide what I put in my body. Seems like your time would be better spent harassing the people taking the perfectly legal drugs that kill EVERYDAY:
From the CDC for only 2007:
Mortality
* Number of alcoholic liver disease deaths: 14,406
* Number of alcohol-induced deaths, excluding accidents and homicides: 23,199
The only way to die from cannabis is to be shot be your friendly, neighborhood officer of the law. And you know they have our best interests at heart when they say “it’s where the money is,”- according to one California sheriff.
harold replied to Mitch:
God Given Right--show me where that is said in either the new or old testaments, since that is where society derives God Given Rights.
Awww, the tired old Alcohol arguement lol, does two wrongs make a right?
Colorado just recently started testing for THC in those involved in death by driing. Guess what, as more states start testing you will find your arguement baseless.
Am I scared for myself, NO, I am scare for our society and as to it's just a plant, so is the Poppy, In addition to your death by Pot, I would suggest you do some serious reading regarding the Mexican Drug Cartels advance into the U.S. to support your addiction to POT. I wont even give credence to your statement of legal drugs killing.
But you are entitled to your opinion, but opinion does not grant right.
Jesus used plenty of Cannabis, since the holy anointment oil which is frequently used in the old/new testament was made from potent cannabis buds, for the record. And no, don't try to disagree, it's an indisputable historic fact and the recipes are well-known to this day. If it was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me.
Secondly, cannabis is a soft drug and a good alternative to alcohol. If people were at home smoking pot instead of out at bars drinking, we would have a significant decrease in violence, the statistics prove it.
And thirdly, are you seriously so fucking inbred that you can't see the connection between cannabis being ILLEGAL and organized crime benefiting from it? LMAO, dumbass.
Legalize cannabis = Deal a crippling blow to organized crime, save the tax payers millions in the wasted war on drugs and reroute law enforcement resources to where they're needed; fighting real crimes.
Mitch replied to harold:
God gave me the intelligence to decide what is right for me and I don't need the distorted genealogy of dead Arabs to know that. I prefer to use reasoning when dealing with the great opiate of the masses.
The alcohol example is only used to illustrate the deeply contradictory stance of America's drug policy.
Oh wow driving while intoxicated is dangerous?? I never knew! Part of any responsible legal drug policy would include restrictions for driving while under the influence just like alcohol.
Comparing poppy plants to cannabis is like comparing poison oak to corn.
The ill effects on society are much worse with prohibition. The only reason the Mexican drug cartels exist is because of our war on drugs. Prohibition drives up price and makes it extremely lucrative. And because this is a wrongfully illegal industry only the most violent and destructive groups are able and willing to circumvent laws. Want proof of concept? Read up a little on alcohol prohibition and its role in organized crime. Prohibition also makes weed a gateway drug. Kids who buy relatively harmless weed in the left hand will buy heroin and meth in the right thinking that since weed is harmless the others must be too. History has shown that the war on drugs is a failure. No matter how many people we lock up or how much money we throw at it, the fact is drugs are here to stay, so we might as well legalize the one that won't harm people. As a society we have much bigger things to fear than pot.
Ben replied to Mitch:
Very nice argument. Well said
Lorenzo Pantera replied to harold:
King James Bible - Genesis 1:29 - And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
New American Standard Bible - Genesis 1:29 - Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;
Anonymous replied to harold:
Harold,
Wow, that was a huge slam to our whole movement! I feel so defeated. You should take yourself out, seeing as you obviously have no friends, and have a few drinks in celebration. Forget the cab, you're the MAN!!! Drive yourself home. Don't worry about us, we'll be stoned and paying close attention to the road to avoid retarded assholes like you!
Best wishes,
Jah Onacona
Esso said:
Your a funny guy.
"POTHEADS are Potheads, what can you expect?"
And? This makes you angry? So your mad because potheads want pot?? Did a pothead raid your fridge and eat all your Rice Krispy treats? Where's all this anger coming from?
If people want to fight for the right to use a drug that is far less harmless than many of the legal drugs available, why would that make you upset? Is it because they want the right to use it? Or is it because they use it in the first place? I'm guessing it's the latter. It's personal, no?
It's a free country. They have a right whether you like it or not. Regardless of your moral/ethical opinion on the use of marijuana nobody should have the right to decide who can have/use/grow it. This is about the govt wanting to ban something because they can't control it. It's too easy to get and grow. They don't give a crap about health and safety and if you think they do your an idiot. If they did we'd be arguing about cigarettes, firearms and alcohol...television! You know, things that actually destroy lives.
What happens if they legalize it? OMG everyone will start using! Do you know how hard it will be to find a bag of chips or a pack of skittles?!? Society will completely collapse! Kinda like Amsterdam... that would be horrible now wouldn't it.
Bob said:
Don't feed the troll and he will go away.
Esso said:
@Mitch
"the fact is drugs are here to stay, so we might as well legalize the one that won't harm people. As a society we have much bigger things to fear than pot."
I couldn't have said it any better my self. People are going to do whet they want no matter what the Gov or anybody else says. This is why I can't understand why people whine about it. People are not going to ever stop using drugs. It's part of the human experience imo. Talk about common sense; common sense would dictate that we spend a lot less time, money and effort on things like this.
Carlos said:
why is harold such an ASSHOLE.
oh and harold plz relax smoke a joint youll feel alot better. i am not a pothead myself but it sounds like you have a case of the mondays on a friday. Relax dude cuz everyone will smoke how ever much they want and Still have interesting perspective views on life. And still be compatible for this society. things are changing harold things are changing and there is nothing you can do about it and like i told myself a lonnng long time ago, let go of your fucking ego and accept everyone for who they are and not for what they do. Oh and believe me i accept your intelligence. No one is perfect and please no ore irreverence.
Harold is a piece of shit said:
Fuck Harlod and everyone who looks like Harold. Go kill yourself.
harold replied to Harold is a piece of shit:
I knew the dumb ones would come out sooner or later and use poisonous vitriol to attempt disquising themselves as real human beings, it never fails. You Potheads always resort to name calling and threats. My objective has been achieved. thanks.
Timtek replied to harold:
Do you use a net or a fishing line when you go trolling?
Harold replied to harold:
hi my names is harold and ive been writing all this stuff about potheads. But i want to share one of my secrets i like big juicy meaty cok in my mouth as well as in my ass...
YouDon'tNeedMyName replied to harold:
Sorry there Roldy, but "disquising" isn't a word and "Gleavick" isn't a medication. "Gleevec" is, but how would you know that? You're only claiming to be the father of a child with Leukemia after all, rather than some tool with too much time on his hands. I'm glad that you came out to attack everyone and then came back to yell at them for coming back at you. I'm sure you needed something to do in between WOW sessions.
BWIII said:
Yeah, Harlod surely is getting alot of peoples' proverbial goat on here with hos blatant badgering, vapidly dogmatic posturing & plain nastiness. But I respectt his right to spew - we're all countrymen with that right!
Congratulations to your son for successfully battling leukemia. It's great to see what specialized prescription drugs did for his condition, just as prescription marijuana improves the condition of most of its prescibees.
I hope your son learns from your mis-steps and works harder than you to practice tolerance and goodwill. What's most satisfying is to know your son will beat his leukemia and recover far sooner than you will recover from your disease.
Sure, he's a danger to the community. What a joke. Legalize it already... Pot and its effects are much less harmful than that of alcohol and both state and federal governments could profit from it.
J said:
Harold, you are an absolute disaster. What is your problem? You sound like the most bigoted supremacist on the planet. You have absolutely no respect for other people's opinions and are completely jaded into thinking that your opinions are fact.
You need to get off the computer, get out there and live some life. Broaden your horizons a bit.
Jo Dean said:
Stupid kangaroo courts are absurd! Idiot judge.
Lou
www.post-anonymously.at.tc
The_Patriot said:
California and Washington will legalize (Harold, that means THE LAW in those states will change by the will of the voting citezenry) cannabis in a few months...how far behind will Hawaii be?
David Briggs said:
Bravo all, a brilliant stream of information. Granted Harold stood alone, many of the arguments circulating in society are represented in this short group of comments.
@Harold - Keep trying to convince people that Cannabis is bad for them and society as a whole. It brings forth discussion and curiosity, both of which will be filled in by facts about the benefits and medical efficacy of Cannabis.
David Briggs said:
Bravo all, a brilliant stream of information. Granted Harold stood alone, many of the arguments circulating in society are represented in this short group of comments.
@Harold - Keep trying to convince people that Cannabis is bad for them and society as a whole. It brings forth discussion and curiosity, both of which will be filled in by facts about the benefits and medical efficacy of Cannabis.
Keith Decent said:
Harold is the best troll.
DNA said:
It's a shame our government can't find a better use of it's time. "danger to the community" my big fat white ass. These judges and prosecutors are the real evil and don't do anything to really help anyone (except themselves) I HATE THEM.
Torrent Search said:
Harold, if you know the beliefs of an "ego-centric narcissist" are unchangeable, yet continue to argue your point, how is that not true of yourself as well? (but even moreso)
Jesus Christ fucking pot smoker said:
Harold obviously needs a fat bong rip.
Movies said:
Our Ganja, who art illegal, hallowed be thy name. Thou smoke taste good, thou art not unhealthy, be smoked in a joint or pipe. Give us this day our daily THC, and help us relax. As we share with others, puff puff pass. And lead us not into overzealous DEA agents, but deliver us from bammer. For thine is the pleasure, the friendliness and humor for ever and ever.
Amen.
GOD said:
Cannabis prohibition is racist, anyone who supports it is a racist simply by association. This is a undeniable fact.
anarch1st said:
made it about 8 posts and decided to join just to say harold needs a life. lulz
Father Harold Rapist said:
I love harold. I love to caress his face and penetrate his rectum, while high as shit on my 'god-bud'!
Oh, harold, my harold... when will you learn. you can't pick a fight with all the potheads! there is no end in sight and no winner will be declared!
come back to bed my son... I wish to rape your sweet buttocks again in my sacramental robes! let us drink wine and eat crackers, but not too much... I want you to save room to swallow all of my seed ;o,..
I raped Harold's son w/Leukemia said:
My name is jesus,
I had two dads, and one of them let me die, when he had all the power in the world to stop it... so he said!
So I decided to rape Harold's little boy, and give him Leukemia... for no other reason than to test his faith! Hahahaha... he fell for it too, just silly old Job from the old testament! What a jackass!?!
Oh, boy, what a joke his life is for all of us, ho ho, he he...
but the best is yet to come...
the leukemia will come back... don't you worry!
Gus said:
I haven't read any of these comments but I just want to say that marijuana use as part of a religion is a protected federal right, so this man does not deserve to be prosecuted at all, let alone held without bail. I think it is disgusting the abuse of power taking place here.
Redonkulous said:
When...and that's when marijuana gets legalized we will see a huge swing in different industries. Bio-degradeable plastics, paint, paper, rope, and the always overly criticized clothing. Marijuana was set to be one of the biggest crops to be exported from the US in the early 1900's before Anslinger pulled his shady bullshit and made it illegal backed solely by yellow journalism and racial non-sense. The only reason why potheads are looked down upon is because of the majority that look at it as just another drug. I just smoked and read a few chapters out of Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Nietzsche, were not all idiots. It's just the stigma that's associated with it a long with ridiculous fines and arrests that disallow my fellow humans with an iq over 130 to indulge. I simply refuse to blindly follow any institution that doesn't know what their talking about. Do your own research & make your own decisions regardless of consequences. I don't believe in god myself, at least not in the conventional sense, but I can certainly understand why he's practicing his religion while toking on a fattie. I could certainly see marijuana putting a person into a meditative state to allow them to more fully embrace the experience. I've seen brain scans of people praying and it's truly breathtaking, I wish I had faith like that but my logic just won't allow it. Oh and to finish this rant, Harold you're a fucking moron.
Mr. stoner replied to Redonkulous:
Sir you can have the faith to do so if you just let go sometimes, the thing is just because you have logic(as do i ) doesn't mean you cant believe in intelligent design. Think about it , how could a extremely complex universe be created by just mere accident? logic would suggest that someone or something had to have been involved.
Mr. stoner replied to Redonkulous:
Sir you can have the faith to do so if you just let go sometimes, the thing is just because you have logic(as do i ) doesn't mean you cant believe in intelligent design. Think about it , how could a extremely complex universe be created by just mere accident? logic would suggest that someone or something had to have been involved.
Harold's just a prick :( said:
This guy is claiming "potheads" are addicts and degenerates yada, yada. You're a joke asshole, you have seriously sat on this page commenting everyone. You sir are an addict of the internet and controversy. Look at you! As well I'm so sorry and sad to hear that your son survived.. The last we need in the world are more people like you :( And I guess people like me too... The stupid addicted potheads, with no criminal record who are attending college maintaining a 3.8 GPA and have full scholarships. It is important to note NO CRIMINAL RECORD, I am not some violent addict... I smoke marijuana for the relaxing qualities and because I don't want to become some piece of shit alcoholic. Last time I checked, the alcoholics are the ones who rob people for money, destroy families and themselves, kill people in DUI accidents and are whiny little psuedo-intellectuals like Harold. But alcohol should be legal right? Cause it's fun?..
THE IGNORANCE OF SOME WILL BE THE DOWNFALL OF US ALL...
Michael replied to Harold's just a prick :(:
It gives me comfort to think,
That when the world plunges into the fiery depths of hell,
That some stoner shall take a few tokes and sit back and reflect on the ignorance of mankind.
To have my first blissful buzz on that buttcrack of mankind's doom, I would give the cherry in my soul which is laced with THC.
OH weed I pray to thee,
Shall not the ignorant smoketh the herb and open their eyes?
Naythey shall flea in terror, for they fear anything that is different.
And good on maryjane for haunting them. She haunts the souls of the ignorant, makes them paranoid and anxious, because they cannot accept her for what she is.
I worship my queen and sucuumb my soul to maryjane- may her spririt follow me in the after life which is full of buds and blissful smoke.
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Harold has a small penis said:
Harold is a miserable human being.
BAN HAROLD said:
just ban this guy, he uses lolgical fallacies and brings nothing to the conversation.
HEY ADMINS
Joe said:
Watch this doc named " The Union "
and ya all will realize why this is happening and what its leading to.
Leonashelly said:
xx
So boring
Denial said:
Good he belongs in jail. If not, then he might have listened to some music, eaten some snack food, and fallen asleep.
Markjack said:
Our Ganja, who art illegal, hallowed be thy name. Thou smoke taste good, thou art not unhealthy, be smoked in a joint or pipe. Give us this day our daily THC, and help us relax. As we share with others, puff puff pass. And lead us not into overzealous DEA agents, but deliver us from bammer. For thine is the pleasure, the friendliness and humor for ever and ever.
Amen.
Weedsmoker420 said:
LOL Harold is a funny guy. Kinda reminds me of that douchebag kid in high school...you all know the one...the one who was sucking his own ego's cock and thought he was better than everyone, then realized no one wanted to hang out with him since he's got the brains of a stillborn paris hilton. So now hes in his moms basement, hoping, NAY, PRAYING for people to know what its like to be a complete and utter failure. Well, heres one way to fix that Harold:
Smoke a fuckin' bowl.
Not like weed is expensive (at least its not in Oregon), and it's not like you'll overdose from it like you would heroin, coke, alcohol...catch my drift? Sure there are a lot of things people could be doing better with, being a dick like yourself is one of them. I'm sure if you tried weed, you would turn into someone a little more pleasant to be around.
If I ever saw you, I would probably punch your mouth for being such a faggot and a disgrace to humankind.
