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If you had actually said something that anyone could translate from gibberish into English.  You said something about me and fundraising, but "NO ON I-502" is the first thing that I've ever tried to raise funds for and we're at least bringing in enough money that we can beat the stuffing out of I-502, which isn't too bad considering what they've raised to pass even more laws that will incarcerate innocent cannabis users.   Do you have a long history of helping patients?  If so, step outside of your alter-ego, "Bic", and take all the credit you deserve for your worthy service to the community.   The organization that had been collecting money using our name, sent us a check this week.  I guess you were wrong about that one. No idea where you tweaker brain was taking you on that strange little Obama rant, but I'm sure it means something to you.   Gotta love these spammers that hide behind false identities.

No one thought they were donating to you steve! Any fund raiser with your name on it never gets any money, ever notice that? You just want to caust problems and get attention. Should a slap a fucking copyright on "vote for obama" and sue everyone that says it? The people had the same goal and a much better chance of getting it done than you. Its not the steve sarich show, you should actually try to help the community or get out the way.

Allright, Thanks for correcting my spelling on BUTT!!!! LMBO

502 legalizes personal possession and commercial cultivation, whereas now they are both illegal. We will get our homegrow in the future, keep trying for your "real" legalization that'll never make it on the ballot. I wish you the best of luck.

So you would rather everyone bend over and take it in the ass instead trying to obtain real legalization which 502 is not. thats real good, do you know how ignorant you sound.

I vote and lobby my politicians, I'll keep working until every state is legal. Fuck medical.

You support more abuse of the medical system so people who don't really need it can be "legal?" You wonder why people think medical marijuana is a joke?

Oh it'll pass alright, even with all the profiteers voting against it.

You need to take a few puff and realize the truth, that i502 is Bad Law and Will Not Pass.

By all means, elaborate.

Why?  Are you planning to fraudulantly collect campaign money for "NO ON I-502" too?

Steve Sarich, dont you have a press conferance to crash?

you can sit around and bitch about how weed is illegal or you can do what you need to be legal and stop bitchin

almost anyone can get a  mmj card....ya all just to feakin lazy to go see a doc

The "no's" need to take a few puffs off their medical herb and let the rest of us get our legal ounce.

you need to pull your head out of your 3 point stance with your $10 a oz prices...hahahahaha dream om

'I made it clear' - Fuck you, arrogant asshole.

Are you lost in space or do you just think the readers are? I made it clear as day that $10 was an upside estimate on the COST OF PRODUCTION after re-legalization.  and $50 will be the RETAIL PRICE of average quality marijuana. So, which is it?  Are you the fool, or do you think everyone else here is?

Section 20 - (3) The possession, by a person twenty-one years of age or older, of useable marijuana or marijuana-infused products in amounts that do not exceed those set forth in section 15(3) of this act is not a violation of this section, this chapter, or any other provision of Washington state law.

I see you went from your stated selling price of $50 a ounce.... when its nationally legalized.... to $10 a oz....hmmm you are livin in a dream world and are just manipulating the numbers to suit your needs.

To Yes_on_I-502 Thanks for that clarification.  People are having a hard time adjusting to the new paradigm.  Marijuana will be just another crop - not the forbidden fruit that has made fortunes for many. Everyone should have realized this was just a temporary bonanza.  Those who attempt to extend it on the crushed lives of millions of Americans are despicable.

Your calculations use the wrong starting figure.  With legal, efficient economies of scale, there is no way marijuana would cost more than $10 an ounce to produce.   So: 10 X 25%.... 2.50...  12.50 12.50 X 25%...  3.13...  15.63 15.63 X 35%...  5.47...  21.10 Plenty of room for reasonable profits and taxes, staying well under the $100 an ounce end price.

Read my lips.  "It's just a plant."  Whoever heard of paying more than $50 an ounce for ANY plant - especially one so easily grown as marijuana?  - With legal, efficient economies of scale, it would be absurd to think costs would be more than $10 an ounce.  So, I'm allowing $40 to cover distribution and profit.  Again, this would be similar to tobacco, cheaper, actually, since marijuana consumers would not want all the chemicals that are added to tobacco.  ALL taxes - sales, sin, whatever -  would not amount to more than $30 an ounce.   - Just go to any tobacco shop to get confirmation.

That confirms what I already knew. You do not understand how taxes are added.  Your model is incorrect.  It actually looks more like this: The grower would be taxed for the product. The processor would be taxed on their services, and the retail would be taxed on their markup. It is not 25% on the total value every time it changes hands. 

And you forgot the 10% sales tax that takes it up to $116.  But you're quite correct.  Do the same calculation and add in a 40% gross profit margin (about the lowest amount you can make and still pay employees and overhead) at each step in the chain and see what you come up with.  How come no one from I-502 is mentioning profit margins in the end user costs?  I think we already know the answer. By the way, where did you get $50 an ounce?  That's not the figure that the OFM based their numbers on.   More Holcolm Hocum.... Steve Sarich Spokesman NO ON I-502 Committee

That's because the big hammer of the fraudulent prohibition is still being employed.  After re-legalization, there will be no such hammer, and marijuana will join all the rest of the consumable products that are produced with efficient economies of scale and sold on a SLIM margin.

"No. Nationwide re-legalization is not far away. It will collapse quickly after at least one re-legalization initiative passes. That's why you greedy growers are so hysterical about them passing. Public support is now past 50 percent and still growing" Hahahaha......Thats a funny statement...we cant even get 1 state to totally legalize let alone the entire nation. Arizona has had Voter approved mmj since 2010...but not 1 MMJ store has opened in the past 2 years.

So Jontomas your $50 oz will not be a $50 oz after taxes and profit margin is added ......$50 turned into $180

No.  Nationwide re-legalization is not far away.  It will collapse quickly after at least one re-legalization initiative passes.  That's why you greedy growers are so hysterical about them passing.  Public support is now past 50 percent and still growing.    $50 an ounce INCLUDES a reasonable profit, of course.  Just ask any tobacco retailer. Again.  IT"S JUST A PLANT  that is easy to grow.  Only fools or people with money to burn would spend more than $100 an ounce for it after re-legalization.

lets say the producer processor and retailer only charge $25 profit... per oz... per section  ....which i dont see happening... thats still an addtional $75 markup plus all the taxes

First off where do you get $50 a oz.....the state will not unsell themselves...nation wide legalozation is years away.... first off its 25% between the processr and all others... ok.... 50 X 25%.... 12.50...  62.50 62.50 X 25%.... 15.62....78.12 78.12 x 35%.... 27.34..... 105.46 Now thats is  just cost..... what about any type of profit???...people are NOT going to sell and not make some kind of profit

Even if it were an outrageous 85 percent tax, 85 percent of $50 an ounce  would be $43.50.  That would be $93.50, total price, which would still be under the $100 an ounce limit I described.

@ yes on 502      ...................................mabey this is in plain enough terms for ya "Then there's the production and taxation guidelines, which first call for a 25 percent tax increase each time the product changes hands, and divides up Growing, Processing, and Distribution in such a way that it has to change hands at least three times, ensuring a 75 percent price increase even before the 10 percent sales tax is applied. That's at least an 85 percent price increase by the time it reaches consumers, which seems absurdly excessive for what this Initiative is trying to do. "

No one has refuted my logic in describing how marijuana will sell for $50 an ounce, plus taxes, after nationwide re-legalization.  Just loud "No it wonts" and insults.  - Pathetic and transparent greed.

Interesting.  Please cite the reference.  Until you do, it is common knowledge you need to pay for, qualify for, and recieve a LICENSE (i.e. be authorized) to sell alcohol, "hard" or otherwise. Even if what you say is true, does not the requirement to have a 10,000 sq ft warehouse restrict sales?   That requirement would clearly be part of an "authorization,"  anyway, so you still don't have an argument.

As described by the Secretary of State's office, the measure would "license and regulate marijuana production, distribution, and possession for persons over twenty-one; remove state-law criminal and civil penalties for activities that it authorizes; tax marijuana sales; and earmark marijuana-related revenues." This measure would remove state-law prohibitions against producing, processing, and selling marijuana, subject to licensing and regulation by the liquor control board; allow limited possession of marijuana by persons aged twenty-one and over; and impose 25% excise taxes on wholesale and an addtional 25% tax on retail sales of marijuana, earmarking revenue for purposes that include substance-abuse prevention, research, education, and healthcare. Laws prohibiting driving under the influence would be amended to include maximum thresholds for THC blood concentration.[4]

100 oz will cost 200 after taxes have been added

We will not see the black market disappear right away when one, two or three states legalize. So, prices will stay high for a while. -Alison Holcolm More "Holcolm Hocum".  So much for "controlling 100% of the market".   So much for affordable cannabis.  And, I might ask, what is "a while"?   Steve Sarich NO ON I-502 Committee voteNOonI502.org

What inane hubris.  What ever is said, whatever point made, you will cuckold it into your sad Fearful world. You look at the No on i502 facts, you will see it is awareness and lack of fear that allows us to think for ourselves, not swallow media lies whole. Enjoy your servitude, I'm sure you do. Fear is for you bitch, Outrage at i502 is for awake Washington State citizens who vote. i502 is Bad Law and Will NOt Pass

"This is no fear..." Then more about how scared Greenlv is. We get it already. You are a paranoid coward. "Orwellian, departments, police, bla bla bla." Have you ever read Orwell? I am certain you do not know what 'Orwellian' means.  The police say these things to take advantage of cowards who react on fear. Scare them straight. People like you and the other anti-legalization folks on this board. The police also say that MJ leads to crack. They say that MJ rots your brain. They say MJ causes cancer. They say a lot of silly things. They have been doing the 'scared straight' thing forever. You do not trust they will conduct their duty reasonably, yet you believe what they say about all the bad things that will happen to you. It is meant for people without the cognitive ability to discern when they are being manipulated. You. Look at all the arguments against I-502, and you will find they are all based in being afraid of conspiracy. You want to sell out hundreds of thousands of recreational smokers because you are afraid the boogieman will come get you. We get it. We all get it, you vote and rant based on paranoia, cowardice , and spite.  You want others to buy into your irrational fear. Brave people have worked for decades to bring us to this point. You work against people who are much better human beings than you are. Your contribution of cowardice is something you should be ashamed of. 

"This is no fear..." Then more about how scared Greenlv is. We get it already. You are a paranoid coward. "Orwellian, departments, police, bla bla bla." Have you ever read Orwell? I am certain you do not know what 'Orwellian' means.  The police say these things to take advantage of cowards who react on fear. Scare them straight. People like you and the other anti-legalization folks on this board. The police also say that MJ leads to crack. They say that MJ rots your brain. They say MJ causes cancer. They say a lot of silly things. They have been doing the 'scared straight' thing forever. You do not trust they will conduct their duty reasonably, yet you believe what they say about all the bad things that will happen to you. It is meant for people without the cognitive ability to discern when they are being manipulated. You. Look at all the arguments against I-502, and you will find they are all based in being afraid of conspiracy. You want to sell out hundreds of thousands of recreational smokers because you are afraid the boogieman will come get you. We get it. We all get it, you vote and rant based on paranoia, cowardice , and spite.  You want others to buy into your irrational fear. Brave people have worked for decades to bring us to this point. You work against people who are much better human beings than you are. Your contribution of cowardice is something you should be ashamed of. 

Take your shame and shove it, you simple minded bitch.  i502 is Bad Law and Will Not Pass

2+2=4

Fuck you and 19 talk in your ass. i502 is a Washington State issue, fuck off please. Go away and stop telling us what to do. You are a sold-out, dumb-ass who does not see the writing on the wall.  Go Fuck yourself.

"oh by the way you cant refuse they can take it by force,"Aint that grand.

You are a great example 'cody' of a plain and simple moron, idiot with an idiot opinion. Maybe cause you are white, and a bitch, and love State power? What if you were young, hispanic, under 21? Think you may have been pulled over by now, regardless of how you drive or what you smoke?

Fuck you NIck-bitch-Hagen. It ain' Fear, punk, it is outrage.   Outrage at this Orwellian law and the sold-out stupid bitches like you who support it. 502 sets up State Sanctioned Stores, yes it doesi502 licences those who can grow, i502 Certainly gives the State new DUI tools to incarcerate and intimidate, are you Blind? The Department of Licensing is predicting an additional $4,000,000 in fines based on these DUID's.  The Washington State Patrol predicts that it will need another $2,000,000 in training money to handle the massive increase in DUID's as a result of I-502.  That doesn't sound like the people who will be enforcing this new DUID law have any intention of not enforcing this law very vigorously.

There is no Fear, bitches. Sell your Fear out-of-state.  Outrage over this Orwellian law aimed at the stupid. Yes, very stupid, or complicit to Stat power. The Department of Licensing is predicting an additional $4,000,000 in fines based on these DUID's.  The Washington State Patrol predicts that it will need another $2,000,000 in training money to handle the massive increase in DUID's as a result of I-502.  That doesn't sound like the people who will be enforcing this new DUID law have any intention of not enforcing this law very vigorously.

Punk just keep pushing this 50 ounce like every other lie. The taxes alone will be over that fifty, even his 'heros' admit this.  jontomas is waste of time, out of state, paid propagandist mouth, Fuck him